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Uterine cysts.

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Lisa Weir
Yearling
Username: Pals_pal

Post Number: 68
Registered: 08-2005
Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 05:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This has been bugging me for ages.
Last year I leant my mare to someone else, but she stayed on farm, except to travel to the stallion for cover.
First cover, uterus looked great. 16 days later; empty.
Came back into season on time, everything great. 16 days later; pregnant and numerous cysts. At 28 days the pregnancy was dying and it was too late to try again, as she'd had a latish foal. The cysts were still there when we checked her a week later to make sure she had lost the pregnancy.

Before the season started this year, I sent her off to have her cysts removed, but they had disappeared without help. Except for one tiny one embedded in the urterine wall. Which I was advised was not worth doing anything about.

She took two goes to catch this year, which I put down to rushing in too early as she seemed to think it was still winter, what with her coat and her follicles took forever to grow into anything fabulous.
She is now 21 days, scanned positive at 16 and the vet has put her on Regumate, simply because of last year. I have no idea if she really needs it, but will do anything if it may help.

The thing that has been bothering me was how quickly the cysts appeared and the fact that they went all on their own. Is this normal? There were a heap of them, and I wonder if they were really cysts, or could it have been something more sinister?

Everytime I ask either vet that has dealt with her I get a vague answer that tells me nothing. I'm hoping someone here can tell me what I want to know.
 

Lisa Weir
Yearling
Username: Pals_pal

Post Number: 73
Registered: 08-2005
Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 07:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Update. 28 day preg test today and all is well. I'm soo happy.

Asked the vet about cysts again and he said it's common for them to come and go. I guess I'm a bit of a worry wort.
Now, here's hoping it's a boy!!!

I would still love some info on why cysts form if anyone knows.....
 

Emma
Weanling
Username: Emma

Post Number: 24
Registered: 09-2005
Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 07:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Lisa, I'm just curious as to what the cysts looked like on the ultra sound and if the vet could actually feel them and if so what they felt like.
We had a older maiden outside mare this year who wasn't cycling so she was PG and came almost straight into season. We served her and had a preg test done at 16 days which was posative but the vet found a lump which she said was hard and was coming up on the ultra sound as a big black mass that resembled poo but it was not moving. She also said the mare would be likely to loose the foal and that we could have the mare operated on to remove the lump so she could be re served. She did not know what it was but was sugesting it could be cancer, the alternative was that it was a old folicle that had not 'popped' and had just kept filling with fluid. I am wondering if it could also have been as simple as a cyst. The owner decided not to have it treated and just to see how things travelled.
Is there any one else out there who may know what this could be? If it is a old folicle is that going to be dangerous for the pregnancy?
any help or opinions on this would be very helpful
Thanks
 

Cathy
Yearling
Username: Cathy

Post Number: 58
Registered: 04-2005
Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 07:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Emma had the mare been ultasounded previoulsly? If so is there any way of finding out if the "mass" was visible before?
If this was an old follicle is would be on the overy not in the body of the uterus or in one of the horns. Did the vet say where this "mass was located? If it was an folicle it would most likly be soft.
If it were me I would have the mare evaluated by a repro specialist.
 

Jos
Board Administrator
Username: Jos

Post Number: 10341
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 07:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think you would probably do well having this mare re-evaluated by another veterinarian. It sounds somewhat as though the vet who performed the examination wasn't really conversant with what may (or may not) be present in the reproductive tract per ultrasound. One possibility is an anovulatory hemorrhagic follicle. Another view may yield some different suggestions... :-)
 

Emma
Weanling
Username: Emma

Post Number: 26
Registered: 09-2005
Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 12:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks for that guys, The owner is getting a second opinion when the mare is at about 34 days of pregnancy, 1) to see if she is still in foal and 2) to see if he can figure out what it is. The mass was definatly hard, they didn't say where it was but they were having no trouble feeling it from inside her. Unfortunatly the mare was not examined before she arrived, if she had of been examined and the lump there then, she would not have come to stud to start with. I had a look at that article Jos and it was very interesting. I'm pretty sure that they couldn't see any white speckles in the picture because they kept saying it was VERY black and solid. The vet we used is a equine speacialist and doesn't work on anything other than horses so i am a little dissapointed they couldn't have been more helpful.
I will let you know the out come!
 

Denise Rolfe
Neonate
Username: Dee

Post Number: 1
Registered: 01-2006
Posted on Monday, January 09, 2006 - 09:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Our maiden mare was just evaluated and determined to have one polycystic ovary. The other ovary is fine. They have done some testing and will determine 1) what's caused the cysts to grow, and 2) how to treat medically, rather than surgically, hopefully to shrink the growths.
Anyone else have any experience with this? I'm told she still has a 75% chance of conceiving through the good ovary, but I'd like more information based on your experience. Thanks.
 

Jos
Board Administrator
Username: Jos

Post Number: 10410
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Monday, January 09, 2006 - 11:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Does your veterinarian work with a lot of cattle by any chance? Polycystic ovaries are not uncommon in cattle, but pretty much unheard of in horses. The nearest equine equivalent is the anovulatory hemorrhagic follicle or possibly a "retained CL" which will often resolve easily with suitable prostaglandin use.

You might want to get a second opinion.
 

Michele
Neonate
Username: Mich

Post Number: 1
Registered: 02-2006
Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 12:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have a beautiful 11yr old mare who I desperately want to get in foal. Tried to breed in hand for the past four years with no success. Been scanned and uterus seems 100%. Initially she seemed to have quite a long cycle +-7 days. Other than that everything looked 100% normal - no abnormalities. For the past two years she's been coming into heat at the beginning of the season and after being covered and ovulating, doesn't come into season for up to 3 to 4 months. Initially I assumed she was in foal. I live far from the vet, so regularly tracking her via ultrasound is out. Last season I got the vet to scan her and he found about 5 large follicles which hadn't ovulated. Because it was at the end of the season I tried giving her a course of ovarian steroids to cause her to cycle again normally but she switched off for winter. This spring, on time, she showed a good heat and she was covered by my stallion in hand, and once again didn't show a heat for 3 months +. Then last week she was interested in the stallion for 2 days. I covered her once in hand on the 3rd day. On the 4th day she and the stallion showed absolutely no interest in each other whatsover when teased or when left together in the paddock for the morning. When the vet scanned her two days ago, she had a very large 10cm flocculent follicle in the left ovary which showed no sign of ovulating. The vet wasn't sure if it was a follicle or a tumour. Also said she should be showing a heat. From the little bit of research I've done on the i'net it sounds more like a follicle as she doesn't (seem to) have any of the associated symptoms of a tumour. There was no fluid in the uterus and all seemed fine except for this huge follicle, which is a repeat performance of what happened last breeding season. Has anybody had a similar experience and have any idea what the cause could be? Also, has anyone experienced this and been able to correct the problem and successfully breed their mare? Thanks.
 

Sandy
Weanling
Username: Sandysz

Post Number: 22
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 09:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi
Don't know if it will help or not, but here on this site is :Difficult Breeder, Thyroid Problems.
Might give you some thought. Some of the horses were within acceptable levels, but when given thyroid meds were able to become pg.
Hope this helps. Put it into the search here on this site to find it, if you haven't seen it before.

Sandy K.
 

Michele
Neonate
Username: Mich

Post Number: 6
Registered: 02-2006
Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 01:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Sandy. I've read what you suggested. I have spoken to various vets here about hormone assays and have hit a blank. For some reason they're not keen to do it, or don't see the need. I can just imagine if I request a thyroid test too!
What are the signs of thyroid problems? Are they always visible?
I have a strong feeling the mare has an ovarian problem, but I won't rule anything out at this stage.
 

Sandy
Weanling
Username: Sandysz

Post Number: 25
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 08:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Michele,
Some of the posts that I have read are saying that the mares look ok and their thyroid tests show normal, but they do not settle. When given the thyroid meds...........cannot think of the name of it.........they settle.

Hope that this helps.........and if your vet doesn't listen to what you ask then it is time to get a new vet. I don't think that it is all that to take a thyroid test. I am very lucky because you can really bounce things off my vets and they really listen to you, and then say if it is feasible or not, and if not the reason why.
Good luck.
Sandy K.



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