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Mare in pain on service?

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Janet George
Posted on Saturday, May 29, 2004 - 07:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have a stunning TB mare visiting my RID stallion. She is a maiden mare and was PG'd by owner's vet prior to arrival.

She came into season on schedule and was very responsive to the stallion and stood for him to mount on the third day. However, once he had entered, she went - my assistant just couldn't hold her still. We had several attempts - same pattern. She definitely WANTED to stand and didn't appear frightened - it appeared to be possibly a reaction to pain after the stallion entered.

She does appear to be a bit small where it counts - and the stallion is a big boy. But we have not run into this problem before. I plan to speak to the owners about having her examined - can anyone suggest what we might be looking for?
 

Jos
Posted From: 137.186.22.239
Posted on Saturday, May 29, 2004 - 10:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

First thing to check for is the presence of a hymen... Some mares have one, some do not, some have a persistent (thick) hymen, others have one that will rupture easily...

Secure the mare. Wrap her tail. Scrub her as though for AI, and then with a sterile gloved hand introduce your fingers (suitably lubricated with sterile lube) into the vestibule of the vagina, and see if there is any impediment to progress. If there is, you may be able to penetrate the hymen with your fingers, but if it is persistent, you may want to involve your veterinarian, some drugs and a scalpel...

Oh - and be careful not to get kicked... a couple of hay/straw bales between you and her can be a lifesaver... literally... :-)

 

Janet George
Posted on Sunday, May 30, 2004 - 04:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mmm - I wondered but at the first try he did penetrate fully - only problem was she was leaving town when he ejaculated. There was a bit of bleeding.

And it would take more than a couple of strawbales - she can kick high! Lovely athletic mare <img> Fortunately, I do have a (fairly) solid set of stocks with a very thick back door!

The owners are one mare owners and ADORE this mare to bits (for good reason). I think I'll get the vet to inspect before trying again. I'm still pretty new to this stallion handling game - but I do trust my instincts and something is definitely not 'right' - some you just know will be cowbags to serve (or do anything else with) but ...
 

Jos
Posted From: 137.186.22.236
Posted on Sunday, May 30, 2004 - 09:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well if intromission was completed, then we move to the next things to consider...

If the cervix is tight and not relaxing, and the stallion has a long penis, it may well be extremely uncomfortable for her when he thrusts. The use of a "breeding roll" can be valuable here, placed in between the stallion and the mare to dissuade the stallion from thrusting so far into the mare.

Then the other thing to consider is that - maiden mares in particular - can be "goosy"... in other words, if it is something that she is not expecting or used to, she could tuck her back legs underneath her and try to leave!! Use of a twitch can be valuable on those mares until they start to understand what is going to happen. Placing a mare against a solid barrier in front of her may be beneficial in these situations, but one must be cautious that the mare does not go over the barrier, or start to kick once she realises she cannot move forward.
 

Janet George
Posted on Sunday, May 30, 2004 - 04:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sadly, after the first attempt we found it absolutely impossible to get a twitch on her (she has obviously been twitched a few times before!)

Although Raj is well endowed, from the first thrust his biggest problem was staying roughly thereabouts. I think she would have gone THROUGH a brick wall - I use a relatively small paddock pen - about 40 ft diameter with 6 ft weldmesh panels - she just goes sideways. I was desperate enough to call in my husband to help - though a bit of extra brawn was called for. She nearly flattened him. And when we BRIEFLY had her held, she started kicking big time. That was the point when I called a halt!

If I get too many of these .....

I'm seriously thinking of training Raj for ground collection (I'm too mean to buy a dummy mare for the odd occasion) so I can AI these lunatic mares - but I also have a 'feeling' that if a mare is fully in season and won't stand, then there should be a reason (unless the mare is an evil cow - and this one isn't!)

I've done the AI course and am Defra certified, but felt that the expenditure to get 'set-up' was a bit much for occasional need, but I'm getting too old for these hairy ones!

But if I could get him trained for ground collection, to AI mares on site that proved a bit 'tricky' rather than to ship semen, I would guess I could bypass semen inspection and checking etc - after all, they'd take their chances with natural service.
 

Janet George
Posted on Tuesday, June 01, 2004 - 08:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well the vet has been and examined her. He said there was quite a stricture at the vestibule and a lot of bruising - plus remnants of the hymen.

It appears he managed to break the hymen on the thursday but with difficulty, and resultant bruising, which explains her behaviour on the Saturday.

The vet had quite a bit of trouble actually getting the catheter past the stricture (she was doped to the eyeballs!) but he thinks all is normal and once the bruising settles, she should be ok (as long as she doesn't remember he hurt her last time!)
 

Anonymous
 
Posted From: 71.111.115.143
Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 02:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Was wondering if anyone has encountered this. I recently bought a older grey mare who has had a foal the last 2 years and some previous, but is not currently in foal. Recently I noticed a small amount of blood coming out of her vaginally and had my vet out, he said the blood was coming from her uterous either from a possible melanoma or a blood vessel. He palpated her and could not feel any tumor, nor did she have any tumor anywhere else. He told me to wait and see if it stopped and had no other real suggestion. Any advice or experience in this? She has been lightly bleeding for about a week now. I purchased the mare strictly for breeding. My vet did say she would not conceive as long as there was any blood. She is turned out with some other mares during the day and they have all been cycling, this mare was in season the week before but has not yet been bred this year.



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