Okay Here is the issue. My mare was last bred 6/6/2003 by AI This was after she was trialed with Regumate taken off for 5 days ULtrasounded and then given HCG and was AI'd 24 hrs and 48 hrs later.
The vet's ultrasound broke but he palpated her and said she was pregnant by 30days sts uterus was firm and closed. by 60days Vet rechecked her palpation only Vet reports still pregnant.
By day 45 he got a new ultrasound and I asked that she be confirmed by ultrasound as pregnant as this foal was not mine. He ultrasounded her but could not find fetus or fetal heartbeat.
He said the uterus was the appropriate size for a pregnancy of that stage, but because he could not get a confirmation by ultrasound she was not pregnant. He felt she had aborted. He did see fluid but could not see through the fluid.
I took her off regumate and we stopped breeding her.hoping that next year 2004 would be better.
Well She never came back into season, It is now six+ months later and she is gaining wght, Her personality has mellowed out considerably. She looks and acts as if she is pregnant.
She is only getting 1 1/2 lbs of 8% sweet feed 1/4 lb of alfalfa pellets and 1/2 can of rice bran bid.( I can not cut her feed back much further and the mare is typically hard to keep wght on in the winter)
Could the vet have been wrong? Could this mare still be pregnant? She would be nearly 7 months.
With her last pregnancy you really could not see that she was pregnant tils she was late in her 9th month
Recommendations, Should Iget the same vet to come out and recheck her? By palpation or by ultrasound?
Thanks for your help
Jos Posted From: 184.108.40.206
Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 01:09 am:
What do you mean by "He did see fluid but could not see through the fluid"? The fluid that is present at 45 days is not a huge quantity, and is (should be) clear black. If there is a large amount of grey discolouration, that indicates that either there is purulent material in the uterus (and hence, the mare is not pregnant, but rather has pyometra); or that the ultrasonographer is not scanning the uterus but the bladder.
If the former, then it is quite likely that the mare will not return to heat. If the latter, you may want to find another ultrasonographer...
I would have a blood estrogen assay performed, or another palpation, and then you will know for sure.
Elizabeth Posted From: 220.127.116.11
Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 05:47 am:
To tell you the truth I am not sure what he meant by that statement. And I am not real confident in his repo skills. He has never followed this mare through a full cycle and her last pregnacy she was well established 7 months pregnat when he took over care.. so there was no question she was pregnant.
I took him at his word that she was not pregnant , but he also said that he did not see any pathology.
I will get the blood estrogen assay done. But if she has Pyometra how do I go about DX that and treating if needed? When I last addressed the poss that she might be infected he said we should wait til next breeding season to check as even if we treated for infection at that time ( October) there would be no garuntee she wouldbe infection free at breeding time.
Getting another vet is hard he is the only one who will ultrasound at the barn and the only repo specialist is in Weatherford Tx, which is a good 75 miles one way.( and I do not have a trialer)
If you need to borrow a trailer. There are excellent repro vets in Weatherford ie Dr. Baker at Alpha Equine Breeding Center who also operates Alpha Equine Clinic. The breeding center is located at 2301 Boyd Road, Grandbury TX 817-279-8275. I do not have the address or number handy for the clinic, but if you contact the breeding center, they can give you the clinic info.
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