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Mare was Palp +prego, in Aug, due Oct 2,2001 today,no baby

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Kim Cota (205.188.198.168)
Posted on Saturday, September 29, 2001 - 07:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi,
my mare was palpated in Aug the vet found feet, said the baby felt sluggish, We have watched this mere in a confined area and have had no losses. Today after sleeping out side with her we had a the vet palpate her, this was not our usual vet, she claims there is no baby in our mare. How can this be? we have not found the fetus nor the placenta, we are crazy about it, we have watched her and have had no signs of abortion. Could this Vet be wrong? could the baby be there?
 

Horse Pro (207.144.178.101)
Posted on Saturday, September 29, 2001 - 07:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Obviously one of them is wrong. Perhaps it's time for a third opinion. If neither of the previous vets are repro specialists then maybe having one look at the mare would be wise.

Best of luck, going without sleep for nothing is never any fun.

HP
 

Kim cota (205.188.198.168)
Posted on Saturday, September 29, 2001 - 07:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Is it that hard to know what a foot feels like? It is that hard to tell if she is gonna deliver in three or foru days? I am at my whits end. this is my second baby and I have followed all the instructions given and I have not seen any thing as far as abortion. Could she obsorb a fetus after eight or nine months?
thank you
Kim
 

kim (205.188.198.168)
Posted on Saturday, September 29, 2001 - 07:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Do I continue to sleep out side with her? Will an ultrsound tell me anything? It is the weekend and my regular vet has just had surgery and is out of service, I can't seem to get another one to come out untill Monday. Do I treat her as if she is prego or do I accept that she is not? What is most likely?
Thank You Kim
 

Jos (142.177.8.8)
Posted on Saturday, September 29, 2001 - 08:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What are the other signs that you are seeing in your mare?

Does she have an enlarged udder? Is there milk present? If there is, when you milk off a drop or two, what does it look like? ("click" here for more information on the pre-partum milk secretions) Is the mare uncomfortable and apparently in distress or is your concern simply a "want to know" concern?

If your mare is not in apparent trouble, then wait until Monday and have a competent equine reproduction veterinarian assess her. Ultrasound will tell you little at this stage as far as her being pregnant or not is concerned. That will be most easily determined by palpation.

Mares never "absorb", "resorb", "reabsorb" or any of the other various permutations one hears of that expression. The pregnancy is always lost throught the cervix - no matter what stage it is at! This is one of the most prevalent misconceptions present in equine reproduction today! If your observations have been as good as you say therefore, it seems likely that either your mare is still pregnant, or that she wasn't when she was first checked.

Note that there is no such thing as a "due date" in the mare! The concept that 340 days of pregnancy comprises a "due date" is another misconception. The average range of foaling is between 320 and 370 days - and outside that range (especially later) is by no means unusual. If your mare's 340th day therefore was in August, she may well still be within the "normal" range, and certainly has plenty of time to go yet before the record 417 days....

I'd try and stay calm until Monday as long as your mare is fine....

Good luck.
 

kim cota (205.188.198.168)
Posted on Saturday, September 29, 2001 - 08:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi,
My mare is pacing around her stall biting at her side from time to time and squating to urinate about every 15 to 20 min. she has seemed to drop in at her rump and her tail is very lose I can pick it up with one finger all the way over her back. She has some swelling at her gland in front of her utter. not much milk. I could only express a few drops. very clear,not sticky. I have the ultra sounds at 15 days 30 days 60 days and 90 days we palpated her june and agin in aug. I am nuts about keeping up on it. If she were to lose the foal I wanted to know asap. so I could take action. could this foal still be there? Can it Hide from a palpation? I will not be in this situation again. I will learn how to palpate myself in the future. But now I am a loss for knoledge.
Thank You
Kim
 

Jos (142.177.8.8)
Posted on Saturday, September 29, 2001 - 08:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It sounds distinctly as though this mare is in the first stages of labour and getting ready to foal. Note however that this first stage can last up to about 5 days in some cases. You should be prepared to stay close!

Another - albeit probably less likely - possibility is that this mare is colicky. If you suspect that to be the case, seek veterinary intervention.

Remember despite your supposition of October 2nd being a "due date" there is no such thing - and today is certainly within the "average" range I mentioned in a previous post.

Why a palpation today would not have yielded the presence of a foal if she is in fact still pregnant, I can't say - but it certainly sounds like a mare in labour...

Stay close and good luck...
 

Kim Cota (205.188.199.34)
Posted on Saturday, September 29, 2001 - 09:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank You,
My husband and I have discussed it and we have decidd that two more nights out at the barn is not to much to risk just in case. We have a breeding vet comming over Mon in the Am. and eagerly await his opinion. Thank you for the encouragment. I will post what we find out on Monday.
Thanks Again,
Kim
 

Horse Pro (207.144.178.79)
Posted on Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 06:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I absolutely agree with Jos. This sounds like a mare who is getting ready to foal.

Jos I am so glad to hear you say that about the terms absorb,etc. Although not terribly important in the whole scheme of things. It has long been a pet peeve of mine, that professionals would use these terms to describe an abortion. It does tend to give those with limited understanding of reproduction the mind set that the thing just vanished into thin air.

Your statement gives some authoritative support to what I have been saying for years.

HP
 

Kim Cota (205.188.199.44)
Posted on Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 04:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi,
Thank you for your kind suport. I had to have the vet out again, My mare went into distress and I was very glad that we stayed with her. She had collic. It was confirmed that she lost her foal. He said she lost it recently (with in the last month or so). We are going to have her tested for infection and try to rebreed her. We are all still in disbeleif because we have no fetus or plasenta. She had a small turn out area and a private stall. We just cannot beleave that we did not see it. Oh well. A word of caution to all. We watched her dillagently we stayed on top of her check ups. she was clean when we bred her. Nature has a way of throwing you a curve ball. I recomend palpating once a month in the last three months of pregnacy. If I had known, I could have had her rebred already.
 

Kelly (63.172.47.202)
Posted on Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 05:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Kim- So sorry to hear about your foal. How old is your mare? Did she have her Rhino shots at 5,7 and 9 months? Is she in a confined area by herself? Is there a possiblity that she would benefit from a caslisk? What was she grazing on? There are a number of reason for late term abortion, and I would suggest looking at these possibilities so you do not have a repeat disappointment. Good luck on the rebreed.
 

Stephanie Cambpell (142.21.150.9)
Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 10:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

About the fetus and/or placenta.... Do dogs have access to the small turn-out area?



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