I have a Morgan stud who is 20 years old. I have two morgan mares to breed to him at present. One is the mother of the other. Both are older mares. He bred both mares last year, but neither conceived. They were vet-checked and no reason was found that they should not have conceived. I again have the mares in a pen next to my stallion. The mares usually squirt and show excitement when I bring him to them. However, he never tries to mount the one mare, and the other mare stands until he is mounted, and then kicks him violently.
Is it possible that if the mare was bred last year, she might this year be afraid to breed even though she is in heat? Is it possible that the other mare was so rude to him last year that he won't try to breed her?
I have never used breeding hobbles because I never wanted to waste semen breeding a mare when she wasn't in standing heat. Should I in fact be using breeding hobbles for this situation?
Posted on Saturday, June 02, 2001 - 10:17 am:
If you are pasture breeding, leave them with him one mare at a time. Some mares can be so dominate, that other mares may not breed with them in the pasture.
If you are hand breeding, breeding hobbles will help, not hinder you. Mares can and will kick before, during and after breeding. It has nothing to do with wasting semen. You may well be missing ovulation by not breeding while she is still able. It is entirely possible for your mare to ovulate days after she is receptive to the stallion. If there is not semen present at that time, no conception will occur.
The older the stallion, the smarter, usually. Your stallion may well be avoiding your other mare. He will appreciate any precautions that you can take on his behalf! I think that he deserves a helping hand.
When did you have the mares ultrasounded last? When were they last bred successfully? Is there ANY WAY they could in fact be in foal?
Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2001 - 11:47 pm:
No, they aren't in foal. They were checked. The one mare finally allowed the stud to mount her, but he acts like he can't zero in on the right place! He's bred lots of mares before and had lots of colts. Could it be that the mares' attitudes have him rattled, and even when they allow him to mount he won't be able to penetrate? I know this sounds like a stupid question, but I inherited this horse, and was never really involved in breeding him. I handled him, fed him, trimmed his feet, but don't know much about breeding at all.
Here are some problems with Morgans. I have had older morgan stallions and they just don't have the libido that other breeds do. Your older stallion may be "too wise" to get kicked and he is not going to take a chance. My present morgan stallion won't mess with a mare that is really ugly and rather than get kicked, he says "forget it." Harvey@bar-non.net Bar None Morgans www.bar-non.net
Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2001 - 01:07 am:
Being that he is 20 years old, he probably has some aches and pains. You may want to give him a click of bute once a day while the mares are in heat. Often times, an older stallion will hurt just enough to inhibit successful breeding.
Is the mare taller than he is? this can also hamper his breeding, especially if he hurts just a little bit. You may try one mare at a time in the pasture. That way, he can service one mare and not over do it. As we get up in age, we could all use some special treatment!
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2001 - 12:18 am:
I tried breeding hobbles today, but he doesn't want to mess with those pinned back ears. Do they make Viagra for horses? If my stallion mounts the mare but doesn't penetrate, does that mean his libido is suffering? He ignores the mares basically all day. They are in adjacent pens. Now and again he squeals, but he then goes back to eating or doing something else. One mare is with him at a time.
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2001 - 01:54 am:
Ann- Isn't breeding season fun?! Try to keep the mares out of his sight until you are ready to breed. This will make the access to the mares more exciting. If he mounts without trying to penetrate, take him away from her for a few minutes then bring him back and try again. You may try nose to nose teasing before allowing him to mount.
I know that it can be frustrating, once you find out what works for him, it should get easier. Stack the deck in your favor. Make sure the mare is receptive ( tranquilized will help ), make sure that he is pain free, and then....make it exciting. Sounds easy, doesn't it?
Thanks, Kelly and everyone, I appreciate the tips. It is a lifesaver. I am going to try working on hiding the mares tomorrow.
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