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Proud Cut- Cryptorchid- Fertile or Not?

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Tonja Wilkes
Neonate
Username: Tonjawilkes

Post Number: 1
Registered: 09-2005
Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 10:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We bought a young percheron- and thought he was a gelding. Well come to find out he dropped one about two months afer we got him. He does display interests in mares- we put him with one twice and no luck. So I guess my questions are 1. Was he really five years old when we got him and 2. What are the chances he CAN produce? Any info would be GREATLY appreciated! I would really like to have one of his offspring!
 

Lisa Weir
Yearling
Username: Pals_pal

Post Number: 55
Registered: 08-2005
Posted on Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 07:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tonya,
There is a chance he'll be fertile, but there are many variables that may effect that chance. It's possible he was 5, and just dropped his testicle really late. The main thing is, do you really want offspring from him when this problem can be passed on? His fillies would carry the gene for it, as well as there being a chance his colts would be cryptorchid.
You could have him fertility tested if you'd like to breed with him. That would save you a lot of uncertainty.
 

J.R.Hamilton
Weanling
Username: Cobbreeder

Post Number: 30
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 07:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

have raised percherons and percheron TB's for 14 yrs... the nads can drop slowly when they are younger ... but didn't anyone check his teeth to see how old they thot he was?? And being a crypt... and if he stays a cypt( not just 1 nad tucked up there slightly that will come down later) esp if he's 5 ????....... this has been considered a genetic defect/flaw/whatever you want to call it.. and it can be passed on to other generations...you have to ask yourself why would you 'd want to pass that on...if you bought him as a gelding ... get him gelded and get on with what ever you were going to do with him... after a total of 30 yrs of breeding horses... have long since realized not all that have all the equipment should be standing at stud.... and get him gelded properly before you let him develop any studdy" bad behavior." Nothing like alittle unwanted testosterone to complicate things.
 

Tonja Wilkes
Neonate
Username: Tonjawilkes

Post Number: 2
Registered: 09-2005
Posted on Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 08:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well- I would like to say thanks to both of you guys! I guessed Ringo to be not even 5 (by his teeth- his wolf teeth hadnt even started to come through)but I was left curious when this thing dropped out of nowhere- I thought he might be closer to 3. I did not realize this could be passed on to future generations- and that really stinks- cause can you imagine the surprise when I was brushing him down that morning and found that nunu? I know I bought him as a gelding-but it was like a big bonus. The only studly behaviour he displays- he's gone from quiet,calm, cool and collected to WAY too much pent up energy and he spooks at just about anything! Once again- thank you-thank you! I guess I have to make some moral decisions here! PS- JR, where are you located?
 

J.R.Hamilton
Weanling
Username: Cobbreeder

Post Number: 31
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 10:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

HI Tonja..
I live in MA- where the weather is starting to get cooler and the bugs are dropping literally like ( stable) flies.. and the leaves are just thinking about turning colors.
From the sounds of it you may have a 2 yr old coming 3 yr old on your hands.....
You may not think it's a big bonus when you have to have him gelded....if he's a crypt and it doesn't drop even with sedation to get ahold of it..... they have to put him under and do surgery to get remaining "nunu"..too funny- (the term not the procedure.)
 

Deborah Corff
Neonate
Username: Horseofcorff

Post Number: 1
Registered: 11-2005
Posted on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 01:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cryptorchid is more common in heavy breeds such as draft horses and halter horses. There is speculation among researchers that the rapidly enlarging abdominal area restricts the testicle from descending. Another theory is that the heavy breeds need more assistance with delivery and the question is raised whether they tear one of the ligaments supporting the testicle when they are pulling the foal since it occurs more frequently in foals that are pulled.
It has never been proven nor disproven to be genetic.
Deborah
 

elizabeth cavin
Neonate
Username: Dreamer

Post Number: 2
Registered: 05-2006
Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 03:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

the farm I train for bought a andalusion colt about 2 years ago and we could not have been happier until we found out that he wasw a crypt. So as you could imagine we were very upset with the whole thing when you pay 20,000 dollars for a stud that is what you want not a gelding. We talked to a reproduction specialist and found out it is genenitic and can come from not only the sire but also from the dam. We sent the colt back and later found out that the mare he was out of had already produced 3 other crypts out of three different stallions so if you are unsure about it being genetic call your local vet who can put you in touch with a reproduction specialist in your area.
 

Toni McConnell
Neonate
Username: Horses4me1

Post Number: 1
Registered: 05-2006
Posted on Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 06:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have a 6 year old APHA gelding. When I first got him he seemed really calm and mellow. Now that I have had him for 3 months he has gotten really pushy, nipping at people and even tried mounting my mom's mustang mare. We have noticed he seems to herd the mares he is with when the other geldings come around. He also seems to have a interest in smelling every horse pile he comes across. Is there he could be just a pushy teenager getting to big for his britches or could he be proud cut?
 

Jos
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Username: Jos

Post Number: 10689
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 06:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The thing that a lot of people are not aware of is that some geldings can and will breed mares, and will still retain some stallion-like behaviours. It is therefore quite probable that you are seeing stallion-like behaviour in a gelding. This is one reason why keeping some geldings with mares is not recommended.

If you do have concerns that the gelding has retained testicular matter (which is probably not likely, but does rarely happen), your veterinarian can perform an hCG-testosterone stimulation test and confirm whether that is the case or not.



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