This will be the first time I have posted here though I’ve been on here reading for a couple years now. Hope ya’ll can cast some light on my problem. This is my 5yr old stallions first year at breeding. I’m breeding to my mares only this year so not a stressful year for him or myself.
So, he bred his first mare, first day things went great. Mare was totally receptive to him and he was a gentleman, mounted, and flagged. Second breeding to this mare she showed for him tail up, winking, stance, but when he would go to mount she wouldn’t have any of it. Kicking etc… Yes, she was in hobbles but my mistake was not double checking behind the person who put the hobbles on. Thou to say hobbles came loose he was kicked a couple of times before I could get him away. Problem is… he looked fine there was a mark on his stifle area where you could see she connected with him but otherwise testicles/penis looked untouched. That was on the 3rd now the 6th, thou not swollen he shows bruising on one testicle, the side he was struck in the stifle area. It’s not a dark purple but a very light discoloring of the one. He is a cremello and so the bruising is noticeable thou only light in color. No signs of hematoma. He doe’s tuck it up when touched other than that things seem normal. He was even rode with no signs of discomfort.
What concerns should I have? He hasn’t changed his attitude for the mare’s stills shows interest thou not breeding again until all is healed.
I know AI is the way to go and the safest. But do to unavoidable happenings, I was unable to get set up for AI this year. I am not new to breeding though this is my first personal stallion. I am just worried I have screwed things up for him and possible fertility issues.
Any words from more knowledgeable people on this would be great. Many Thanks, Susan
The concern would be (obviously) internal damage resulting in something like a hematocoele. If you have concerns (and it appears you do) have your veterinarian ultrasound the affected testicle[s].
FWIW, mares can still kick with hobble on even if they don't come undone. It may not be quite as hard a kick, but it can still sometimes be hard enough...
You say you couldn't get set up for AI... I urge you to look at building a power-pole breeding mount (very cheap to build yourself) and invest a little money in an AV and simply collect the semen and inseminate it straight into the mare on farm. If you want to add extender that is obviously better, but simply collecting and inseminating is still far safer than breeding live cover, even though it's not the ideal way to do AI. And it may save your stallion...
Hey Susan Once you start doing AI you will never go back to live cover. I have done it on a very tight budget. I built my own phantom with a built-in AV and made my own colorado style AVs out of 6" conduit. The conduit is heavier than PCV but it holds the heat for a long time and I got it for free. A friend gave me a nice microscope he had when in college, you might find one on Craigs List. Got a thermometer from a company on ebay for $12, tested against my friend $40 thermometer. I keep collecting items, this month I hope to get a hemacytometer, a big investment for me. I bought a water bath off of Ebay for around $85 (including shipping), it was my Christmas present to myself. I plan on building a stock to put the mares in to inseminate and a teasing wall. A centrifuge (not sure I really need one but it would be fun play with) and a Quick Check sperm counter are on my wish list when I win the lottery. If I can do it, anyone can do it, it will make life so much easier and safer for everyone. Hope your boy is OK.
Well, things seem to be good with my boy. Still won’t breed tell all the bruising has gone and then will look at sperm but vet said everything seem to be good. Anyway, no more live cover for him.
Doing AI has been my plan from the get go but in the last 18 months I had a tree take out half my house, my mom, who lives with me lost her leg and my brother past away. So, things got put on the back burner.
I do have a few things just need to "collect" a few more basic things. How do you like the phantom with the built in AV? I have heard both positive and neg. things not sure if I will go that route or not. I'll probably use the power pole model. I do have the Colorado AV. I acquired that when they where tearing down an old Arabian farm here in town. It was funny in that I came across this trunk and said “wouldn’t it be neat if it had AV’s in there” and wala, there it was. It is the older model, just need to get all the liners and things to go with it. I do have a microscope; I purchased that before everything went haywire in my life. I've never used a water bath so not sure on that though seems like its more affordable then the incubator. My husband says he can make an incubator out of a dorm fridge. I told him it had to be accurate with no variations. He said he could, so we will see. I would love to have a Quick Check sperm counter but like you, when I when the lottery. Believe me, I, too, am on a tight budget. Thanks for the info Susan
OMG I'm so sorry, you are due some good fortune. I hope this is the beginning of good times for you and your family.
I have to collect by myself, my parents are in their mid to late 70's so the best they can do is call 911. My phantom with the built in AV works for me, I don't have the strength in my hands any more to hold the AV with one hand and the lead line in the other. My colt, Sparky is very clever about mounting and finding the AV. He has always liked mounting it from the end and moving up tight on the phantom not leaving much room for the AV and to deflect his penis. Other stallion I have handled in my younger days mounted at an angle on the phantom, more on the side so it is easier to deflect and there is more room for the AV but Sparky prefers mounting like it is a mare. I have tried approaching the side in the middle of the phantom, he will mount then back down the phantom to the end and shift over so he is perfectly straight behind it, just like he is mounting a mare. I added extra padding so my phantom has hips which he really likes. The other issue I had was holding the AV level so the AV stayed tight at the base of his penis when he was in the AV, got to keep them happy. I'm sure you will figure out what your boy prefers, please let us know how his phantom training goes. Be safe.
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