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Breeding mount problems

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JENNIFER CASWELL
Nursing Foal
Username: Jkcaswell

Post Number: 14
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 11:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Our stallion, seems to be having difficulty judging his jump on the dummy. To be more specific, he waits until he is ready, and goes almost completely straight up in the air, and while he always comes down correctly, he comes down very hard. He then tends to climb the dummy, almost going over the front. We bought him a sheepskin cover with hips, and it hasn't seemed to help him stay put. We try and help him out by holding his front legs. We have tried adjusting the dummy to help him out, but nothing seems to work. His shoulder is sore for a couple of days after. Our dummy is fully adjustable front and back, is over 7 feet long, and is the contour type. I have read that this type of dummy can make them climbers, and if there is truth to this, buying a new dummy is not an issue. The current hight at the rear is the equivalent of a 15.2 hand mare. Anything lower and he really climbs. He is a honest 15.2 himself. Any ideas or suggestions? This guy is an honest very well mannered young stallion. He doesn't ever rush to the breeding area, just quietly stands there until he is full ready, so I don't want to make any mistakes to ruin this wonderful attitude, but most importantly, I don't want to see him walking stiff back to the barn, and associating this with collecting. He is a sensitive colt, and the little ouch really gets to him.
 

Jamie Anderson
Neonate
Username: Jamieander

Post Number: 1
Registered: 04-2008
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 09:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

When you say "contour type", do you mean that it has a wedge cut out at the back to give you somewhere to put the AV? Jos told me at the course back in March that these types of dummy do tend to make the stallion feel less secure once they've jumped. From what I've seen in recent months they end up looking for the mechanical pressure under the flank to make them feel more stable - when they can't feel it, they climb around.

If the back end of the dummy is at about 56" (roughly the height of a 15.1hh mare's back end), then again, based on what Jos and others say, and have published, this height should be suitable. However, as you say he climbs at this height also; might it be worth INCREASING the height of the back end of the dummy?

I'm sure others will have plenty of ideas. Good luck!
 

JENNIFER CASWELL
Nursing Foal
Username: Jkcaswell

Post Number: 15
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Friday, April 11, 2008 - 03:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, it is the type with the wedge cut out. And what you have said makes logical sense. We have tried having the back end higher, but then his stifles would get sore, as well as his shoulders, and he still wanted to climb. As I said, he is a big baby, and has a very low pain tolerance. He get's the tiniest nick on him, and he acts like he has had his leg amputated! We are going to order another dummy and hope this fixes the problem, before he decides that collecting just isn't a fun thing to do.

Please though if anyone else has any suggestions, please let me know, I so appreciate everyones help
 

Chris Taylor
Neonate
Username: Galaxy

Post Number: 10
Registered: 08-2008
Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2009 - 04:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I built a power pole phantom as described on the site from where I got the plans. It works a treat. I even built one for a friend's stallion and that works well too. In my view the adjustable ones are too unstable. Our stallion tends to dance on the phantom at times before finalling mounting fully erect & ready to enter AV. I have taught 2 outside stallions to use the phantom, both youngsters and they have been the same. Despite there being no reward in their pre-mounting play it still goes on!
 

Jos
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Username: Admin

Post Number: 2279
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2009 - 08:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I built a power pole phantom as described on the site from where I got the plans

That site is this very site... We've been building the power pole mounts for 20+ years, and the plans are available here at http://www.equine-reproduction.com/articles/phantomplans.htm



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