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Ground collection problem...

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Jamie Anderson
Neonate
Username: Jamiea

Post Number: 3
Registered: 02-2008
Posted on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 04:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm trying to train an 8 year old stallion to collect from the ground... however, he's not really co-operating.

He's done several seasons collecting using a phantom, and was at the point where he no longer needed an estrus mare, and would just jump onto the dummy and be collected using a Missouri AV.

He becomes VERY aroused in the presence of a mare - estrus or non-estrus, and quickly acheives an erection and starts trying to mount. We are only able to use his stable because of the facilities, and the mare is walked past, or stood outside when we have attempted collections so far, so we don't have much space to play with.

As soon as I start to introduce the AV he either: rears immediately stands and comes down, then does nothing. Or, he starts backing away from the AV, or starts walking around his stable, with the AV on his penis. I think he's quite naughty, and has obivoulsy been allowed to jump on the phantom whenever he likes, as opposed to when the handler wants him to, but this makes him a little difficult to deal with.

We really need to get him collected like this, as there is no phantom and no jump mare at his present location, and mares are waiting! The best we've had is a single thrust on the ground before he rears or runs away... do I just need to be more patient? He's been like this for 5 sessions, spread over 2 days, each 10 days apart... Any ideas would be gratefully read/received!

Jamie
 

Phyllis Schroder
Weanling
Username: Shadowbend

Post Number: 44
Registered: 08-2007
Posted on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 08:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jamie,
I am also using a stall as the collection site for training my stallion but haven't really had to much trouble so far.
I would suggest having 3 experienced hands to help get the job done until he understands things.
One could be at the side of his head to hold and manage him, one with the AV, and another that can be at his hip to help manage his movement.
You may want to place him up against the wall so that he can't move around as much and if he backs up he'll be stopped by the adjacent wall and just stuck in the corner.
I'm sure you will probably get alot more help and advice from more board members who have more experience with this problem but hang in their and be patient and eventually it will all come together.



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