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Stallion biting while breeding

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Robin Culbertson
Weanling
Username: Murrini

Post Number: 48
Registered: 02-2006
Posted on Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 10:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We are teaching a 12 year old stallion to breed for his first time but he has turned out to be a biter, he starts out very nice and just licks the mare. He teased well across the fence, was gentle and friendly and became erect. When put behind the mare he continued to be very sweet but would not become erect. Eventually he started nipping (hard) and it seemed to excite him and he would start to drop but if we told him no (about biting) he would suck back up like he though he was getting in trouble for dropping (I don't know if he was punished for dropping in his previous home). It took a good hour to get him to mount and the first time he was out of position and not hard but did not bite. He finished and came off, we gave him a break, then tried again. The second time before he mounted he wanted to get very nippy prior to mounting (he likes her to kick at him before he gets really excited) but finally behaved so we let him mount (again he was out of position, he wants to be beside her instead of behind her, but hard this time) but then he started biting her pretty hard, enough that she was trying to kick him while mounted, luckily he was on her side and didn't get hit. She normally does not kick, only because he started biting too hard, so I'm not going to hobble her because of his naughtyness. How would you go about correcting the biting while mounted. Now that he has the idea of jumping I think we can correct the pre-jump biting but what about when mounted?
 

cathy Cook
Breeding Stock
Username: Razmacat

Post Number: 388
Registered: 08-2005
Posted on Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 11:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Do like we do in thoroughbreds, muzzle him with a leather muzzle before breeding.
 

Jos
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Username: Admin

Post Number: 1529
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Monday, August 27, 2007 - 12:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Muzzling stallion can bring mixed results. While it (obviously) physically prevents biting, it also can interfere with olfactory stimulation, which with many stallions is an essential part of the arousal process. We have seen stallions that with a muzzle on would not even get an erection, but once removed would breed with no problem.

Certainly retraining the stallion is preferable to simply restraining or preventing. If during the teasing he becomes too rough, stop him with a firm "no". If he wants to mount the mare before he gets an erection, that is fine - it's perfectly natural and is the way that stallions are making absolutely sure the mare is accepting before dropping the delicate equipment into the direct line of fire! If once mounted, he starts biting badly (note that biting is actually a perfectly normal part of the breeding process), raise his head with the chain (that should be in his mouth) and again say "no". Be aware that he may dismount. If you find that this is not resolving the situation, consider putting a protective leather neck cape on the mare, which is commonly used in the TB breeding shed, and which may have tabs on to allow the stallion to grip.
 

Robin Culbertson
Weanling
Username: Murrini

Post Number: 49
Registered: 02-2006
Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 10:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you Jos! We tried again yesterday and things went much better, but still not quite there, I think he will get it today. We have decided that the biting is out of frusteration, as he only started doing it again after a few unsuccessful jumps so We padded her neck which worked well. He just starts dancing around too much once he gets up for us to help him, but he is getting much closer on his own and I think he is figuring it out enough that he will get it today. Thanks again, this board is great!
 

Pita
Weanling
Username: Pita

Post Number: 49
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 03:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I agree with JOs. I had my stallion since birth he is now 10 yrs old. He started being really naughty with rearing and scaring the mares. We would just tell him no, at first he would suck it up too, an then he started pawing in frustration. then we just started putting him in his stall when bad behavior started and then would take him out agian. We did this for 1 week. It was a LONG week but worth it because he is back to being a perfect gentleman. It's back to the control issue and who the leader of the pack really is.. The lead mare which is ME, and I just had to remind him of it.



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