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Can a Vet miss a Pregnancy at 7 mos?

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Karen M. Whitaker
Neonate
Username: Karenw

Post Number: 2
Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Monday, March 27, 2006 - 10:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have a 16 year old arabian mare that I bred last August. The vet didn't think she had settled, but now I'm not so sure. She's looking like she might be in foal after all. It's March 27th, so she would be about 7 months along. I had the vet out again today to palpate her, and she's not so convinced that she's not pregnant either, although she still could not actually feel the foal. Layla was tense and the vet said her muscles could have moved the foal forward out of reach. Don't know what to think. Could I see any movement as yet? And can a pregnancy still be missed this far along? Sometimes I look at her and she looks kind of lopsided, so I'm sure she is, but then other times she doesn't. HELP!
 

SDS
Weanling
Username: Whisper05

Post Number: 44
Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 01:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hmmmm.Hard to tell, I had a vet miss a foal at 45 days(palpating) but never after that,but anything is possible.I wouldnt think you would see any movement this early maybe in a couple more months or so,do you know if the mare has been bred before and/or how many foals she has had?Is she a big mare? Sometimes they can hide one.Most mares but not all will not show any signs of being in foal till the last 3 months or so,but I have one that swells up like a balloon the day after she is bred so....Maybe an ultrasound would be a better route to actually see if she has something inside.Good Luck
 

Rousseau
Nursing Foal
Username: Epona5

Post Number: 12
Registered: 01-2006
Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 01:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am a vet and never say a mare is open unless I can feel the uterus, if I'm not sure, I have look with ultrasound, and then it is the same : you have to see the entire uterus if she's open, fluid, if not the foal, if she's pregnant.
between 5 and 7 month can be tricky to palpate; if you want to know for sure ask a vet who has an ultrasound device.
 

Karen M. Whitaker
Neonate
Username: Karenw

Post Number: 3
Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 09:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I actually bred her once before about 7 years ago. At that time, I had a different vet, and he was able to tell at just 60 days. She had an uneventful pregnancy and delivered a healthy colt. I guess I'm perplexed because I'm getting such mixed signals this time around. When she was palpated yesterday, the vet said her uterus did feel different than it had when she first examined her, but she couldn't get a really good feel for it to tell for sure. I've also been reading where the foal can drop down into the pelvis, so maybe that's what's going on. It was so easy the first time around, I took it for granted! As far as the ultrasound goes, is that a sure thing? I feel like it's the first time all over again, especially since I've been thinking she hasn't been pregnant all these months, and now there's a possibility of it after all. If she is, this would be her last. I've had her since she was a two-year old, so we've had many years together. I really appreciate the feedback.
 

SDS
Weanling
Username: Whisper05

Post Number: 49
Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 11:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I really dont know how accurate an ultrasound is but at 7 months the baby would be a little bigger than a beagle dog,according to a timeline chart I have,so most likely an ultrasound would pick that up at least I would think it might.
Even if she isnt bred, you dont have to give up if you really want a foal out of her,one of my mares is 18 and the other is 23,1 just foaled and the other is due in a couple weeks,the mare that is 23 didnt have her first foal till she was 19.Dont get frustrated yet, call around and find a vet with an ultrasound and get your mare checked out,it will give you peace of mind.Good Luck.
 

Karen M. Whitaker
Neonate
Username: Karenw

Post Number: 4
Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 03:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That's good to know! I'll do some calling around. When I find out for sure, I'll let you know. Thanks again, and good luck with your own babies!
 

Chris Olow
Neonate
Username: Haciendahay

Post Number: 1
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Friday, April 14, 2006 - 04:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We have a mare that we bred Twice on June 18th of 2005 which would give her a due date around May 24th of this year, five weeks away. She was palpitated analy in Nov and the vet said she did not believe she was pregnant with foal. As of late she is getting huge and her udder has started to get larger. Last night we were able to produce milk from her udder. The questions I am posing are 1. Can a mare have a false pergnancy this late after breeding, and 2. Can she produce milk without being pregnant. If no we assume she is within 4-5 weeks of delivery. I have left a message for our vet but have not heard from her yet.
 

Karen M. Whitaker
Neonate
Username: Karenw

Post Number: 7
Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Saturday, April 15, 2006 - 05:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I can't imagine a false pregnancy at this late date, & I don't think a mare can actually produce milk unless she IS in foal. My vet said the same things after palpating at sixty days, and then again just a few weeks ago, even though she couldn't quite feel the uterus. In reading the message boards, it's been said that there's a time in pregnancy where the foal can drop down into the pelvis & is hard to reach. I think that's what's happening in my case.

It's been a few weeks since I've written. I decided not to ultrasound Layla, but as time goes on, I'm more & more convinced that she actually is in foal. Plus I haven't seen her in a real solid heat yet this spring. I have to board her at a friend's place, so I guess it's possible to miss it, but I'm there several times a week. Last weekend I gave her the annual vaccinations, wormed her and also gave her the shot to prevent spontaneous abortions. I guess for all intents and purposes, I'm treating her as if she is. Then, this morning I was out there grooming her, and her belly is just so much more filled out than it is usually this time of year. It feels different too, not like a hay belly. Her last breeding date was August 25th, so she's got a little over three months to go yet. There's no sign of any bagging yet, but it's probably too early for that.

Anyway, if your mare is producting milk, I sure would think she's pregnant! GOOD LUCK!
 

Karen M. Whitaker
Neonate
Username: Karenw

Post Number: 8
Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Saturday, April 15, 2006 - 05:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I mean prodUCING milk :-)



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