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"born again" maiden???

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Kris Moos
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Username: Kris

Post Number: 408
Registered: 01-2006
Posted on Thursday, March 23, 2006 - 07:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Anyone who may have an idea...
if a mare who has had two foals in the past but has been barrin for 10 years will she present like a maiden as far as bagging and other foaling signs?
 

Kris Moos
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Post Number: 418
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Posted on Thursday, March 23, 2006 - 05:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

JOS ANY IDEAS HERE?
 

Jos
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Post Number: 10535
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Thursday, March 23, 2006 - 10:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's anybody's guess. Chances are that there would be some mammary development, but - as with any mare - that is not necessarily the case. If you knew what her previous pre-foaling pattern was, that might help you.
 

Kris Moos
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Post Number: 419
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Posted on Friday, March 24, 2006 - 10:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

JOS-I do have an idea of pre foaling patterns based on a few udder photos in relation to delevery dates. I have had her since she was 1, she had a signifaicant bag both pregnancies 3 weeks prior to foaling, even as a maiden. however she is 332 days now and very little! one day she will, then she wont for a few days and it will be a little different than the few days prior. but of all photos i have seen on this site, most mares have more of an udder at 300 days than she does now!
do you reccomend haveing colostrum on hand? or wait it out and get it if i need it?
 

Jos
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Posted on Friday, March 24, 2006 - 12:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Anyone foaling out mares should have either colostrum (or a commercial IgG supplement) on hand or know where to go to get it quickly. One can never predict accurately when it's going to be required... :-(

This mare may be just fine, but it's probably worth playing it on the safe side. In the long run you will come out better off...
 

Kris Moos
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Post Number: 425
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Posted on Friday, March 24, 2006 - 03:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

thanks Jos!
 

Joanna
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Posted on Sunday, March 26, 2006 - 04:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jos, what is a commercial IgG supplement? Is it just as good as colostrum, or is there a difference?
Thanks
 

Jos
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Post Number: 10546
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Posted on Sunday, March 26, 2006 - 10:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There are a couple of categories of commercial IgG supplement - oral and IV. Essentially they are blood-based products (serum/plasma) that are taken from hyper-immnunised animals and processed. One such product is "Seramune" another is "Polymune".

The advantages of the oral products are obvious - they are cheaper and being oral the average breeder can use them on the foal without veterinary assistance, but they must be used prior to about 15 hours post foaling to get maximum advantage, as the foal's gut is closing down it's ability to absorb IgG's from shortly after birth to about 24 hours. By 15 hours that ability is severely compromised.

The IV products have the advantage that one knows the foal is getting a good systemic level, but it is more expensive to purchase, and being IV typically will require your veterinarian to administer it.

The disadvantage of both products is that there is no guarantee that they contain antibodies against environmental pathogens found in the foals environment. The chances are good, but not guaranteed. Good colostrum on the other hand, from a mare in that same environment, should contain the right antibodies.



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