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Foaling bag/kit?

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jade amell
Neonate
Username: Abbie_luver

Post Number: 10
Registered: 09-2005
Posted on Wednesday, January 04, 2006 - 10:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What would be in the perfect foaling bag? And what would be the the things that you would have to have if you could not get everything, the most important?
 

Terri Berwanger
Weanling
Username: Terrib

Post Number: 22
Registered: 10-2005
Posted on Thursday, January 05, 2006 - 12:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jade,
This is what I put in mine, but it might not be the best kit.
Iodine or Nolvasan to treat foals cord (more on this at the bottom)
String to tie mares placenta
Bottle for colostrum
cotton
towels
disposable gloves
Thermometer
flash light
ivermectin wormer for my mare
vets number (in my phone, but have it handy)
hibi scrub disinfectant for washing my hands if need be
tail bandage for mare


Probably missing stuff as my list is somewhere at the moment, but not in my office.
O.K. with the iodine make sure you cut the iodine so that it's not too caustic, you can hurt the baby's ub stump. Nolvasan is better(i can't get it here), but you have to apply I think about 3 times aday.
Also, I make sure a head collar is on my mare as you don't want the foal being born and she turns into a psycho with her new foal and you can't catch her!
terri
 

jade amell
Nursing Foal
Username: Abbie_luver

Post Number: 11
Registered: 09-2005
Posted on Thursday, January 05, 2006 - 12:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

so when i "cut" the iodine does that mean i add water to it? if so how much like 50/50? Sry ive just never done this before.
 

Rooty (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Thursday, January 05, 2006 - 10:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Very important also:
Sharp scissors and utility knife to cut through sac if it doesn't open or placenta in case of red bag delivery - we have saved the lives of 3 foals by having scissors right there.
Cell phone if you don't have a phone in the barn.
I am planning on adding a foal resuscitator to my kit this year.
Manual breast pump
50cc syringe
Blessed are the Broodmares
Walkie talkies so I can page my SO in the house quickly - but I am able to borrow these, and this is something I wouldn't bother buying as I do have the cell phone.
If I think of anything else I'll post back!
 

Terri Berwanger
Weanling
Username: Terrib

Post Number: 23
Registered: 10-2005
Posted on Friday, January 06, 2006 - 12:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Rooty,
Scissors are always in my kit, just can't think early in the morning and my Blessed are the Broodmares book is always on hand and I always study the what happens if things go wrong section every year!
Jade, I would cut it with 30% water if this helps.
 

Rooty (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Friday, January 06, 2006 - 10:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Terri, my copy of Blessed are the Broodmares now is even complete with bloody fingerprints from being consulted mid-delivery...I leave it open on a straw bale to the chapter on dystocias.
 

Jennifer Demski
Nursing Foal
Username: Jennifer_d

Post Number: 17
Registered: 11-2005
Posted on Friday, January 06, 2006 - 04:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok Rooty,

I'm totally freaked out now! I did this as a 16 year old not realizing how bad things can go. So glad nothing went wrong. I too study the "if things go wrong" section and get sick to my stomach every time I read it. I made my hubby read it too. Hopefully if something does go wrong we will be a pluthera of information.
 

Rooty (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Saturday, January 07, 2006 - 11:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jennifer, don't worry, I've had more than my fair share of things going wrong! It's been down to fate really that out of all the problems we've had the only one we lost was a mare due to a hemorrage post-foaling - which nothing could have been done for anyway.
I guess in a way it's good - my old vet used to say that at least we are well-versed in how to handle these different emergencies! Although I would not take on repositioning a foal myself unless it was a minor adjustment, the one serious dystocia the mare was gotten up and walked and the vet made it in time to save both. The mare was scarred badly and could't be bred again, but at least both she and the foal survived!
 

Rooty (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Saturday, January 07, 2006 - 11:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just wanted to add - I'd love to equip my foaling kit with a vet!
 

Gynna Meiller
Yearling
Username: Jw_kings_excalibur

Post Number: 59
Registered: 11-2005
Posted on Saturday, January 07, 2006 - 08:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have all my stuff in a backpack on the wall by the barn door. It includes..
two towels
Pro-biotics
Iodine/medicine bottle( for dipping the cord)
enimas
vet wrap
suction bulb
sharp rounded scissors/knife
camera
exam goves(the ones that go over your elbow, here is a hint from my vet, turn them inside out so that the seam does not rub on the mares soft tissues but is touching YOUR arm instead, this is what he does too)
K-Y jelly
Blessed is the Broodmare STAYS at my table in the barn as its always there no matter what!!
adn a large WISKEY BOTTLE..heheheheLOL just joking there,,
 

jade amell
Nursing Foal
Username: Abbie_luver

Post Number: 12
Registered: 09-2005
Posted on Saturday, January 07, 2006 - 10:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

what kind of string and what would it be used for? and if i cant find ivory soap what else can be used?
 

Gynna Meiller
Yearling
Username: Jw_kings_excalibur

Post Number: 60
Registered: 11-2005
Posted on Sunday, January 08, 2006 - 08:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The string is used for tying off the cord and breaking it if you need to( you dont want to cut it)if you cant find ivory soap try finding a baby shampoo.
 

jade amell
Nursing Foal
Username: Abbie_luver

Post Number: 13
Registered: 09-2005
Posted on Sunday, January 08, 2006 - 03:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ok thanks
 

Terri Berwanger
Weanling
Username: Terrib

Post Number: 24
Registered: 10-2005
Posted on Monday, January 09, 2006 - 12:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Gynna,
No, I don't think you are ever supposed to tie off the cord and it will break on it's own. Actually you should try and make sure the cord doesn't break for at least a minuete after being born so more blood gets to the foal. The string is for tying the mares placenta after birth. This way you keep it out of reach of the mare stepping on it and causing the placenta to pull out of the mare which is bad news all together.
teb
 

Gynna Meiller
Yearling
Username: Jw_kings_excalibur

Post Number: 69
Registered: 11-2005
Posted on Monday, January 09, 2006 - 07:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was told that if the cord does not break after 20 minutes( stops pulsing) then to tie it off and pull it. Just in case the mare is too weak for some reason to get up or the foal does not break it himself after 20 min.
I tie the placenta up with my hands( hense the latex gloves) in a knot and keep tying it every time it shifts to keep it out of the way, off the ground and the knot adds a bit of extra weight to help guide it out of the mare slowly and whole.
I guess we have differnt uses for string is all.. (I have never had to use the string buy the way)
 

Rooty (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Monday, January 09, 2006 - 02:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Gee, I just tie up the sac with my bare hands. Never thought about putting gloves on!
 

Gynna Meiller
Yearling
Username: Jw_kings_excalibur

Post Number: 71
Registered: 11-2005
Posted on Monday, January 09, 2006 - 05:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The reason I use gloves is to help insure that bacteria does not enter into her uterus via the placenta. Gloves are cheap..a sick mare is not..so I figure for me, better safe than sorry, cause with MY luck..the one time I dont use gloves something will happen..
 

Rooty (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 10:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah, it makes sense, I'd just never thought of putting gloves on! Although I doubt the mare is likely to suck the sac back into her uterus, but donning a pair of gloves would make it less gross at the very least! I have a huge box of vinyl gloves so expense is not really the concern.
 

Gynna Meiller
Yearling
Username: Jw_kings_excalibur

Post Number: 75
Registered: 11-2005
Posted on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 12:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

They cant suck it back up but the bacteria can travel UP into the uterus via the nice wet icky placenta hanging out there..a perfect breeding ground for the bacteria..
 

Terri Berwanger
Weanling
Username: Terrib

Post Number: 25
Registered: 10-2005
Posted on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 01:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah, I'm like Gynna, gloves all the time. Always get my big box of disposable's for the foaling. Even if there was no bacteria to worry about, I'd still be wearing the gloves!
 

Rooty (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 12:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Will the bacteria really multiply that quickly though? Not saying that you shouldn't be careful, just playing devil's advocate here.
 

Gynna Meiller
Yearling
Username: Jw_kings_excalibur

Post Number: 79
Registered: 11-2005
Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 06:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lets jsut say I am not willing to chance my mare or any future foals..better safe than sorry. Some folks dont dip the naval of the foal either they let nature take its corse..Again..I am not willing to loose a foal.. Jos may know the actual answer to that question though.
 

Rooty (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 10:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah, I am just curious.
Wow, some people don't dip the stump?
Mind you I know people that let their mares foal out in pasture unattended too, and to me that is plain craziness!
 

Kim k
Breeding Stock
Username: Kimk

Post Number: 208
Registered: 04-2005
Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 01:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We have never used gloves for foaling. ?? Never had had any trouble.I guess for the small amount of bacteria that is on our hands compaired to the barn and surrondings--I didn't figure it would much matter. Its not like we foal in a sterile hospital. We just make sure that we wash our hands well when we are finished. We have always dipped the stump and many years ago I found out that it was suggested that you do the same to the feet as the tissue is very soft and pron to infection as well. So now we dump alittle over the underside of the foot as well. Don't know if it does anything ! But we do it .
 

Rooty (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 10:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Kimk that is kind of what I'm thinking about the bacteria too. My package of vinyl gloves isn't exactly sterile either, so I'm kind of thinking that a pair of washed hands aren't the end of the world!
Not that I'm saying those of you who use them should stop or anything!
 

Jos
Board Administrator
Username: Jos

Post Number: 10417
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 01:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A couple of points about glove use:
  1. Dry plastic or vinyl gloves will typically not harbour pathogens, unlike hands, so their use will reduce pathogenic contamination;
  2. If one is checking fetal position vaginally, reduction of pathogenic introduction with something as simple as wearing a reversed rectal sleeve can't but help!
  3. The reproductive tract immediately after foaling is in a state of high inflammation. Inflammation is nature's way of dealing with irritants, hence, even though there will be a large number of pathogens naturally introduced into the tract during the foaling process, nature is on the ball to deal with them;
  4. Does this make it worth the risk of introducing one more pathogen? Not in my book! :-)
  5. If one gets into a severe dystocia situation, typically all bets are off, as the main aim is to save the mare/foal and one can deal with secondary infection later;
  6. And the last point - foaling mares have lots of yucky wet stuff floating around, so I like to keep my sleeves and clothes clean if I can!! :-)
I'm playing the devils advocate here somewhat so people can make their own decisions, but FWIW, we use a reversed rectal sleeve when we're invading the vagina in all but severe dystocias.
 

Kim k
Breeding Stock
Username: Kimk

Post Number: 210
Registered: 04-2005
Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 02:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I guess I need to add to my statement that When checking fetal position vaginally we would use a glove to do this , when delivering a baby and it comes to walking in the barn and mare and baby need help.... I choose to go at it and help and forget the clothes as they can wash and deal with anything else after mare has delivered. So when doing routine care, and doing anything internally then we would choose to use a glove otherwise we have at it. :-)
 

Rooty (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 10:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Same here, KimK! If I have to go in then, yes, a proper sleeve glove is put on. When I was talking about not using gloves I was referring to when I am tying the sac up to avoid the mare stepping on it.
 

Kim k
Breeding Stock
Username: Kimk

Post Number: 211
Registered: 04-2005
Posted on Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 10:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Rooty, I think we are on the same track. :-) Kim
 

Lisa Weir
Breeding Stock
Username: Pals_pal

Post Number: 106
Registered: 08-2005
Posted on Sunday, January 15, 2006 - 10:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We get a bucket of warm water and wash the mare's udder and back end before the foal starts sucking around on the ikky bits, too.



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