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Mare With Strange Cycles & Heats.

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Emma
Weanling
Username: Emma

Post Number: 35
Registered: 09-2005
Posted on Monday, November 21, 2005 - 06:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi All,
We currently have a outside mare here who untill now has been doing a normal 21 day cycle with the normal 7 day heat period. She arrived out of heat but due any day.
The day after she arrived we teased her and she was in so we bred her (lucky we did).
Day 2 and we could see she was still in heat but we left her as we only breed mares every second day of there heats.
Day 3 of her heat and we went to serve her and she was out BIG TIME!

Now i have never seen a mare do this and i have had a couple of idea's and thoughts on the matter thrown at me, I was just looking for some more advice.

Is it likely we would have got her in foal with that one breeding at what seemed to be the start of her heat?

The other thing that concerns me is she is a maiden and the stallion has been rushing and screaming at the mares when serving (we have been working on this problem), could she have felt threatend and just turned herself of?

I have also been told that some mares once ovulated and been bred, know they are pregnant and switch off regardless of where they are in there heat. They would otherwise (if not bred) continue on in there heat. This didn't make a lot of sense to me as i thought that once a mare ovulated they always came out of season and if that was the case this mares normal heat period would be 2 - 3 days ... not her normal 7 days which she was doing prior to her arriving.

She will be scanned at 16 days but any past experiance would be helpful.
 

Jan H. (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted From: 69.253.11.21
Posted on Monday, November 21, 2005 - 10:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I may be way off base here, but am thinking....could the stallion have intimidated her into standing for him when she was not in fact in standing heat?
 

Beverly Outlaw
Yearling
Username: Outlawpaints

Post Number: 61
Registered: 03-2005
Posted on Monday, November 21, 2005 - 12:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Emma,

We have a mare that had a baby in Aug 04' and the baby died after 3 days. well she pined for this baby and came into season a week after that. We decided not to breed her again because she was 19 and we wanted to go easy on her. Well she stayed in heat for 3 months solid...I'm not kidding. she would squat and pee if she just heard our stallion from the other pasture. Well after 3 months we decided ok let's breed her and that will be the last one... Well he mounted and bred her ONE time and he tried to mount her later that day (we pasture and hand breed) and she would not let him...We are expecting a bab any day now... IT CAN HAPPEN!!!LOL. Good Luck!
 

Emma
Weanling
Username: Emma

Post Number: 37
Registered: 09-2005
Posted on Monday, November 21, 2005 - 05:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

WOW Beverly, you lern something every day! Well i hope in our case that is what happened, I would love to be able to send her home in a week or two!
Jan, she was definatly in season, like i said she arrived out of season, we know this because we teased her the first day (over a fence).
The second day we teased her again (once again over a fence) and she was definatly on because i wouldn't let the stallion any where near her before he calmed down and stopped screaming. He teased her properly and she was sitting for him with very little encouragement.
The third day we could see her squatting in the paddock for him which is no where near the stallions paddock. he would yell and she would sit. So she definatly was in heat.
 

Jan H. (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Monday, November 21, 2005 - 09:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks for explaining in further detail Emma. I hope she took! Take care and good luck.
 

Lisa Weir
Yearling
Username: Pals_pal

Post Number: 79
Registered: 08-2005
Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 07:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well, my usually normal mare had a year when she showed for one day only....just before she ovulated. We were ultrasounding prior to breeding as we have one cover per cycle for each mare.

So it isn't imossible! But it isn't usual either, so I'd be reserving judgement on her pregnancy status.
 

Emma
Weanling
Username: Emma

Post Number: 38
Registered: 09-2005
Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 07:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

LOL .... thanks for the input Lisa, we will know shortly, her owner has decided to wait to see if she cycles again and if not then off to the vets for a ultra sound. I will keep you informed .... keep your fingers crosseed for me!
 

Lisa Weir
Yearling
Username: Pals_pal

Post Number: 82
Registered: 08-2005
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 08:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Will do, Emma. Best of luck!
 

Brandie F. (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Sunday, November 27, 2005 - 07:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I too had a very onery outside maiden mare come in to be bred to my stallion this year. We had her here for 3 different heat cycles because she was so bad, kicking, etc. even when she was in full heat. Nothing worked as far as restraints, ace, etc. Bless his heart he finally got ONE cover on her on what i had said was to be their last chance and she is now heavy in foal.
 

Emma
Weanling
Username: Emma

Post Number: 40
Registered: 09-2005
Posted on Monday, November 28, 2005 - 12:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We had two of our own maidens behave like that last year and thank goodness our other stallion just inched his way slowly and was very patient, once he was up they moved around but stopped kicking and were bred. We have just covered one of the mares again this year and she was a Angel (thank goodness) and the other mare just foaled a colt on Saturday, i suspect she would not be too keen on being served again (she is still terrified of going any where near a stallion), we won't know how she will be for a while as she will now be left open for a couple of years. The good news was with these mares that they did get better every time they were bred.
 

Gynna Meiller
Nursing Foal
Username: Jw_kings_excalibur

Post Number: 13
Registered: 11-2005
Posted on Monday, November 28, 2005 - 07:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have heard of mares knowing when they caught, but I have a stallion that does it! We had an outside mare that came to use and did not come in for a week and a half but when she did she gushed. We put her out with my stallion( he is 3 and this was his first breedign year) and he bred her every other day. This mare was so bad she would try to sit on his head and squirt at him. On the fifth day she was still showing full heat but he would NOT breed her..She is confirmed in foal( 6 months now). Has anyone else had a stallion do this?
 

Dorthy (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Monday, November 28, 2005 - 08:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The stallion we bred our Appy mare to this spring did this............. he bred her everyother day and on the last day when we went to pick her up she was still showing full heat so they were put together for one last breeding and the stud didn't want anything to do with her. She tried EVERYTHING to get him to breed her and he wouldn't. We took her home, brought her to the vet 18 days post cover was told she wasn't preggo so took her back to the stud. And this time she was not at all interested and neither was he...........she was there two weeks and the stud owner took her to her vet and sure enough she was 33 days preggo................
 

Emma
Weanling
Username: Emma

Post Number: 41
Registered: 09-2005
Posted on Monday, November 28, 2005 - 06:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Our Old stallion used to do that he was brilliant .... very good at knowing if mares were in foal or not .... we used to get a bit confused as to why he wouldn't serve the mares on there last few days some times, but he was always 100% correct so we just had to start trusting him more, at the end of the day he new what he was doing and who were we to dissagree! lol
 

Kim Winter
Nursing Foal
Username: Clafairy

Post Number: 19
Registered: 07-2005
Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 - 10:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My usually very obvious mare I have had for four years was covered on her season in april and confirmed not in foal but when it came to trying again she didnt come back into season - on the second heat she should have had I took her over to the vets and it turned out she was having a silent season - first time Id ever known it of her... Just like her to be awkward! funny things these horses : )
 

Jennifer Demski
Neonate
Username: Jennifer_d

Post Number: 3
Registered: 11-2005
Posted on Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 04:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Anyone ever have a mare bred and checked by ultrasound and palpation, found not in foal by the vet. Then found in foal months later?
 

Renee
Yearling
Username: Reneec

Post Number: 95
Registered: 07-2005
Posted on Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 05:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jennifer,
Yes. I had my mare checked at 16 and 24days and found open- she never came back into heat. 11months later i had a foal. It can happen
 

Jennifer Demski
Neonate
Username: Jennifer_d

Post Number: 6
Registered: 11-2005
Posted on Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 05:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Renee,

I am having my mare checked this Monday. I am suspicious that she may be. She did come back into heat though, but the vet that is going to check her thinks its possible. She also has a small pouch just anterior to her udder. Maybe she is just fat! She would be anywhere from 5 mos. to almost 7 Sigh... It would be so nice!
 

Emma
Weanling
Username: Emma

Post Number: 46
Registered: 09-2005
Posted on Friday, December 09, 2005 - 08:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi every one, just thought i would give you a update on the mare mentioned above, we had her preg tested today and she was open. We had teased her before taking her in to have the check and she was showing like she was out of season. The vet said her uterus looked like she should be in foal but they could not find a featus (which she thought was a little strange). She had a 4cm folicle and said that if bred tomorrow she should go in foal. So although she is presenting like a mare out of season, her body is actually rip roaring and ready to go. We will twitch her tomorrow and serve her. Does any one know why she would be thinking she is not in season when she obviously should be receptive to the stallion?
 

Kim Winter
Weanling
Username: Clafairy

Post Number: 35
Registered: 07-2005
Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 06:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

MAybe its not that she is not in season, maybe she is not accepting the natural covering, could she have back issues or similar that would cause her not to stand - there is so much going on in our animals that we cant always discover - personally I would not breed her at all if it took a twitch to do so - Imagine the equivalent...
Perhaps AI would be an option?
 

Emma
Weanling
Username: Emma

Post Number: 47
Registered: 09-2005
Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 07:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi kim,
she stood for the stallion the first time she was covered. Then she seemed to go out of season so we left her. She just had her preg test done and came back open which was not a surprise to us.
This is a maiden mare and a outside mare so we are not in a position to be suggesting options like AI. The mare is being bred mainly for the owners experiance and because she loves her mare so much. Now this does not mean that WE did not make sure the mare came up to scratch with her confirmation and temprement before we excepted her and that we didn't first check that the new born foal would be in a suitable home. We are not into breeding horses for the sake of breeding horses.
I also have gone under the advise of our vet who is a equine speacialist. This mare excersises herself in her paddock on a daily basis and none of that has changed, she has not been stiff or sore so i would eliminate this as a reason for her not showing.
The vet told me that some maidens are just shy breeders but i thought i would see if any one on here may have been able to give me some other ideas.
We did serve her today and we twitched her as a precaution. She did move around a bit and did have a kick when the stallion dismounted but she did not behave like she did when she was completly out of heat(she would not stand still at all in that case and would kick constantly).
I totaly understand what you are suggesting and i know that i would not like that done to me but as i understand a twitch is a mild restraint compared to what some studs use as every day pieces of equipment on there mares.
So with all that said, we have done this with advice from well informed vets, we did serve her without her actually showing heat but we made sure that when we did she had a nice 'ripe' folicle so that we would only need to serve her the once so we did not need to keep putting her in that stressful position.
 

Kim Winter
Weanling
Username: Clafairy

Post Number: 36
Registered: 07-2005
Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 05:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well in all honesty I am brand new to breeding and I dont know about tuds and how they work as my mare also apperad to go out of heat after her first natural cover (very unusuall for her) and so we too tested for a good follicle and I used AI then. I unfortunately through lack of experience chose a first time stallion 3yo unproven for the natural covering and it was all a little traumatic for my liking, cuts and scrapes to my mare, although she stood for him loose wonderfully. Thats why I chose AI I also like my mare VERY much and just didnt like the stress that way. All down to personal preference and EXPERIENCE, mine was not so good! Good luck for the results of this last time.. Kim
 

Emma
Weanling
Username: Emma

Post Number: 48
Registered: 09-2005
Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 05:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think that is why a lot of owners are better off just not seeing the breeding process sometimes. We did not have any problems serving her using a twitch. The owner knows her mare was twitched and i told her we were going to do this before we served her. She was fine about it, but being told what is happeneing and actually seeing it done is two completely different things. Some people are much better suited to just breed there mares out. Thanks for the well wishes, i am very confident that we will not be serving that mare again and that the mares owner will have a healthy dilute foal on the ground this time next year. I am sure once you have your baby on the ground the stress will all seem worth it Kim.
 

Kim Winter
Weanling
Username: Clafairy

Post Number: 39
Registered: 07-2005
Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 06:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Im counting down the weeks emma - and mad as i am, praying for a filly incase I have the urge in years to come to do it all again!



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