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15 Years Too Old To Breed?

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Jacki Green
Posted From: 64.12.116.13
Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2005 - 08:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

my mare is a 15 year old arabian and i'm considering breeding her to a friends young stallion. Is she too old to breed? She is unproven but has considerably good conformation except for she's clubfooted in one of her front feet. Is this hereditary?
She has a really nice temperment and the stallion i would breeding to has very good conformation.
 

TX Breeder
Posted From: 199.3.209.170
Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2005 - 09:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

15 is not too old too breed. You would want to have a vet look her over and give her a breeding soundness exam. A repro. specialist can ultrasound her and get a good understanding of ow what her condition is. Otherwise, you may waste alot of money trying to breed when you have no idea what is going on inside there!

I would not breed a clubfooted horse, however, in the halter classes, Arabians do not deduct for a clubfoot. It can be hereditary. It does not mean that the foal will have a clubfoot, but the next generation may.

You will have to consider that it may be harder to sell the foal if it is a clubfoot. If it is for your pleasure and you intend on taking care of this horse with correct shoeing etc, well then, it is up to you.

I just sold a beautiful Arabian with a clubfoot. He is wonderful to ride and has a great personality. His new owners adore him. But.... he was bred to be a show horse, sold for trail riding. The breeders had no idea that he was clubfooted when they bought him as a foal. They did loose money on this horse. He does have a great home, is well trained and well loved. Happy ending.
 

Jacki Green
Posted From: 205.188.116.65
Posted on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 08:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks, this foal would be for pleasure, hopefully a happy ending to:-)
 

flyingrose
Posted From: 207.136.41.44
Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 12:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If both front feet are clubfooted it is more likely to be hereditary. If only one is, the cause is more likely to be due to injury. Fifteen is not too old to breed; however, at that age it may take longer to get her in foal if she has not had foals before.
 

Rooty
Posted From: 69.196.103.102
Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 11:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Another consideration with a 15 year old maiden, is what my vet calls "old maiden syndrome". Even if you successfully get her in foal, her uterus may have atrophied to the point that she may not be able to maintain the pregnancy, or if she is able to the foal can be born small and with low body fat. This happened to a girl I know last year, and instead of the horse sized Trak/TB X she had bred for she got a (very cute) foal that will not likely be over 14.2hh. I bred one mare, a Morgan X, who had had a foal at 4, but then was not bred again until 17, and both her subsequent foals were much smaller than expected. However with her we really don't know if that is genetic, as she herself is 14.1 and we don't know what her dam was (could have been a pony), or if it was uterine atrophy.
I would suggest having a uterine biopsy done before booking a stallion.
 

TX Breeder
Posted From: 199.3.209.64
Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 12:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If your repro vet has done an exam and feels that she is breedable, then give it a try. If after attempting with no conception, have a biopsy done. I would not suggest that right off the bat.

Most foals will be closest to the mare in size. If you breed a 14 hand mare to a 16 hand stallion, the foal will most likely be closer in size to the mare. Now, of course it will also depend on the generations past in the pedigrees. Also, be aware that first foals are generally smaller and fillies especially.

I would tease her aggressively and take my time with her. Often times an older maiden mare will not "show" to the teaser. If you allow her to warm up to him and approach with time to spare, it will greatly improve your chances for conception. There are other protocols that will help an older mare with the breeding process. Your repro. specialist should be well versed in them.

I have know of a few clubfooted horses, none were from injury, so a generational fault was the most likely suspect.
 

Jacki Green
Posted From: 152.163.100.13
Posted on Wednesday, March 23, 2005 - 11:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

She is only clubfooted in one front foot and the way she is with her feet means it's probably from an injury since she always seems to get things into her feet and legs. Thank You. I'm thinking of having an exam within the next month or so.
 

Rooty
Posted From: 69.196.103.102
Posted on Wednesday, March 23, 2005 - 03:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Clubfoot can be from the mare's dam "mineral-mining" also. My boarder has a mare that we need to give Optimal to her foals. One did develop a club, but with adding a supplement and proper care and trimming it was minimalized. The mare's next foal started to get a little upright, we put him on JD and Optimal and weaned him at 4 months and he didn't develop a club. I would try breeding a mare with one clubfoot.
 

Jacki Green
Posted From: 205.188.116.65
Posted on Wednesday, March 23, 2005 - 04:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Okay, thanks for the info. about foals developing clubfoot. Sounds like it's fixable which i didn't know. :-)
 

Anonymous
Posted From: 152.163.100.13
Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 - 04:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I say go for it. Who cares about getting a vet check. If this is the first time for you to breed her have fun with it and breed until she's in foal.
 

TX Breeder
Posted From: 199.3.209.60
Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 - 05:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I will not breed a mare without a culture and cytology report.

You should care very much about a vet check before breeding. Not only can you waste time, but you may be spreading STD's to the stallion and other mares. Beyond that, every time that you breed, there are chances for something to happen. It is a very serious situation and should never be taken lightly.

In older mares, the breeding process can cause inflamation that may inhibit conception. Therefore, "breed until she is in foal" may result in just the opposite outcome.

You will be time, money and effort ahead by having her prepared and suitable for conception. The fun comes only after a live foal is standing and nursing for at least 24 hours!
 

TX Breeder
Posted From: 199.3.209.60
Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 - 05:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

P.S. A slight clubfoot can be handled by corrective hoof care. I would not stand a stallion with a clubfoot for breeding, there are too many other good horses without this problem. I have bred mares with one clubfoot and all was well, the one foal that had a slight clubfoot was trimmed often and only shows a very slight clubfoot.
 

Jacki Green
Posted From: 152.163.100.13
Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 09:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you for your valuable information. This has helped make my decision as to what to do and how to do it.

Also, does anybody here know how I would be able to register this mare?

She was sold to me as a purebred and shows all the characteristics but they didn't give me any papers with her.
 

Eagle View Arabians
Posted From: 64.12.116.13
Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 08:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Do you know anything about her bloodlines? Who her sire and dam are? The Arabian registry now requires all foals and breeding horses to be DNA typed, most were blood typed before. If you can prove her parentage you should be able to get her registered.
 

Jacki Green
Posted From: 205.188.116.13
Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 11:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you. I was wondering. Maybe I can dig up her dam and sire bloodlines in my file cabinet, maybe not. Thanks anyway though
 

SDS
Neonate
Username: Whisper05

Post Number: 10
Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 10:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Club-footed can be hereditary,but can also be cause by a leg injury,does your mare have a scar on the leg that is club-footed.15 is not to old to breed,I currently own an Arabian mare that was 19 before she had her first foal,according to the previous owner once she had her palpated and culture done the mare conceived within 6 months,this mare is now 23 (looks 12)and still producing.This mare is also club-footed,due to an injury,real nice scar on her upper front leg.



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