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Colour gurus... your thoughts please

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Saucy
Nursing Foal
Username: Saucy

Post Number: 15
Registered: 11-2005
Posted on Friday, December 09, 2005 - 11:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have 2 mares in foal for 2006, could you tell me what the colour options are for the foals please:

Bay mare (by a bay stallion o/o a chestnut mare) in foal to a dark bay stallion (by a bay stallion o/o a black/brown mare)

Dark bay mare (by a bay stallion out of a bay mare)in foal to a dark bay stallion (by a bay stallion o/o a black/brown mare). Both of the parents of my mare had 1 chestnut parent each.

If you feel like a challenge... what about my breeding plans for next year:

Dark bay/brown mare (by a black stallion out of a bay mare) to a dark bay/brown stallion (by a bay stallion out of a brown mare)

Dark Bay mare (by a bay stallion out of a chestnut mare) to a bay stallion (by a black stallion out of a dark bay/brown mare)

Bay mare (by a bay stallion out of a bay mare) to a bay stallion (by a black stallion out of a dark bay/brown mare)

Bay mare (by a bay stallion out of black mare) to a bay stallion (by a black stallion out of a dark bay/brown mare)

Bay mare (by a bay stallion out of a chestnut mare) to a bay stallion (by a chestnut stallion out of a grey mare)

There's a challenge for you !!!
 

Joanna
Weanling
Username: Joanna

Post Number: 34
Registered: 04-2005
Posted on Friday, December 09, 2005 - 09:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Saucy,
Your only chances for any of these crosses are bay, chestnut, and black. As all of these horses are some variation of a bay, you will more then likely get a bunch of bay babies. :-)
Hope this helps.
Joanna
 

kassie (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted From: 68.109.46.51
Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 07:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If you where to breed your bay mare to a cremello you would have a chance at a palomino, or a buckskin.

Just input for you next breedings.
 

Kim Winter
Weanling
Username: Clafairy

Post Number: 45
Registered: 07-2005
Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 10:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If you bred a chestnut mare to a cremello what would I stand a chance of getting?
 

Joanna
Weanling
Username: Joanna

Post Number: 40
Registered: 04-2005
Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 12:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You would get a palomino 100% of the time. The reason is a palomino is a chestnut with a cream gene. It would get one creme gene from the sire, and would get one chestnut from the dam, giving you a palomino baby every time.
I am actually considering this for my chestnut mare, she has a great disposition and always gives it to her babies, and I just want to add some color to that wonderful attitude.
Joanna
 

Kassie (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted From: 68.109.46.51
Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 01:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes most of the time you would get a palomino with a chestnut but if the cremello has any Agouti gene in him it would be possible to get a buckskin with that cross. Our colt may have the possiblity of the agouti gene since his father was a Perlino, we are having him tested soon at UC Davis. But if he does not carry any agouti the only possiblity you would get is a Palomino. This is a cremello stallion that does not carry the agouti we are breeding our mare to in Feb. http://www.horseofcorff.com/30390180.jpg

You know I am posting enough i think I will register with this board. :-)
 

Cathy
Yearling
Username: Cathy

Post Number: 75
Registered: 04-2005
Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 03:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Kassie the agouti gene only affects black based horses, so the chestnut cremello cross will never produce a buckskin.
 

Gynna Meiller
Weanling
Username: Jw_kings_excalibur

Post Number: 39
Registered: 11-2005
Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 05:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

As far as I have known a cremello only carries the double dilute creme gene, were a PERLINO carries the double dilute and the aguti MODIFIER which is why they can produce buckskins. If you colt is a cremmelo then he does not have the aguti gene as it does not hide.
 

Kassie Finley
Neonate
Username: Kassie

Post Number: 3
Registered: 12-2005
Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 06:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hmm interesting. This is my first time to own a cremello stallion. The woman that I bought him from told me to have him tested for agouti that he may have it, since his father was a Perlino and both his grandfathers where Buckskin. His mother was a cremello and he is a cremello here is his picture:
http://www.yellowhouseranch.com/koda2.jpg
(i just love to share pics of my baby lol)
anyhow this is what she told me and since she has a cremello stallion and a cremello mare I just figured she knew what she was talking about. Ok so how would a horse get the agouti?
 

Cathy
Yearling
Username: Cathy

Post Number: 76
Registered: 04-2005
Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 10:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Kassie cremello can carry the agouti gene!! My palomino stallion has been tested and has it.
Like I posted above any horse can have the gene. It just will not show on a red based horse. So my stallion bred to a chestnut will never produce a buckskin, but when bred to a black mare she can have a buckskin. In fact I have a weanling buckskin filly now out of a black mare and him.
Gynna a pelino has at least one black gene, at least one agouti gene and two cream genes.
A cremello has two red genes, two cream genes, and can certainly have one or two agouti genes
 

Kassie Finley
Neonate
Username: Kassie

Post Number: 4
Registered: 12-2005
Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 12:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh ok. I think I understand. thanks.
 

Debbie Burnett
Breeding Stock
Username: Horselady

Post Number: 112
Registered: 03-2005
Posted on Sunday, December 25, 2005 - 02:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hmm Kassie. If I were a betting woman, I would say that this stallion is a Perlino instead of Cremello. Have you had him tested? Perlinos have darker manes and tails, Cremellos have manes and tails the same color as their coats. It seems to me that your fellow has darker mane and tail and since he comes from a Perlino and cremello, he could actually be Perlino. Have you thought about having him tested?

P.s. I just bought a perlino homo tobi stud colt and hes being shipped up to Canada this week ! He has the slightly darker mane and tail and was DNA tested to be Ee, which is Perlino. ee would be cremello.
 

Cathy
Yearling
Username: Cathy

Post Number: 77
Registered: 04-2005
Posted on Sunday, December 25, 2005 - 10:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Debbie Has he been tested for agouti? Ee CrCr could be smokey cream not perlino if he doesn't have the agouti gene.
 

Gynna Meiller
Weanling
Username: Jw_kings_excalibur

Post Number: 42
Registered: 11-2005
Posted on Monday, December 26, 2005 - 07:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you for clarrifing that Cathy! This just gets so darned confusing and you hear so many different things. And to think just a few years ago these horses where considered albinos..We have come a ways in genetics for sure..



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