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Color Question please

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horsinaround1908
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Username: Horsinaround1908

Post Number: 2
Registered: 10-2005
Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2005 - 11:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Roan liver chestnut tobiano stallion bred to ...

1.blk. wht. tobiano mare/ sabino
unknown parentage colors

2.sorrel mare
tri color pinto sire
chestnut dam

3.gray mare
Black sire
gray dam

Could you give the color posabilities
 

Kelly Lea Adams
Neonate
Username: Kelly_lea

Post Number: 3
Registered: 10-2005
Posted on Monday, October 24, 2005 - 06:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Horsinaround1908,

Your general base coat colour possibilities are:

Red Roan Tob Stallion x Black Tovero Mare =

Black/Blue Roan (black roan)
Bay/Bay Roan
Sorrel/chestnut/Red Roan

Paint is a little trickier to establish as it just depends upon what genes are passed on. You could have a Tobiano, a Tovero, an Overo or a solid paint foal.
Based upon APHA information sabino is classified as part of the Overo paint family so in general terms it is treated as an Overo gene and that's how I'm going to treat it also. I'm also excluding the 'liver' part as it's just a colour variable of the actual base coat colour. I'm also assuming this black mare is not carrying a hidden creme gene and therefore is not a smoky black (which are fairly rare).

Red Roan Tob Stallion x Sorrel Mare =

Sorrel/chestnut/Red Roan
Paint possibilities are: Tobiano or solid.

Red Roan Tob Stallion x Gray Mare =

Sorrel/Chestnut/Red Roan
Black/Blue Roan (black roan)
Bay/Bay Roan
Gray (It would be harder to spot roaning on a gray, so that's why it's just listed as gray but it very well could be a gray roan also.)

Paint Possibilities are: Tobiano or solid foal.

The gray mare is the hardest to pinpoint exactly unless you happen to know what colour she (the mare herself) was born as. Gray is just an extension of a base coat colour and is not the actual coat colour of the mare herself. If she was born as a chestnut/sorrel exclude the blacks & bays. If she was born as a black/bay the full colour list applies to her.

I'm assuming in the sorrel and gray mares that neither is hiding the Overo gene, so that's why I've excluded it. I'm also assuming that the stallion himself is not hiding the Overo gene.

Also I hesitate to use roan in any painted breed. I've personally seen too many Paints listed as a roan who are actually expressing the Overo Sabino gene. Unless you are 100% sure that one of that stallion's parents is a roan, I'd be suspcious of it actually being a roan.

These are all based on the general colours and paint patterns you have provided, they do not include hidden paint/colour genes.

Good luck on your foals!!! :-)

Kelly Adams
 

horsinaround1908
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Username: Horsinaround1908

Post Number: 3
Registered: 10-2005
Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 07:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Kelly,
Thank you so very much for the info it is greatly apreciated!!! I will definatly let you know what comes to be with pics!!!!

Michelle
 

Kelly Lea Adams
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Username: Kelly_lea

Post Number: 5
Registered: 10-2005
Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 09:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Michelle,

I'm happy to try to help! I can't wait to find out what you get! I'm a sucker for foals, always have been.

Take care and hoping you have a successful foaling season!

Kelly Adams



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