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Curious about the color of my (and my mare's...LOL) first foal

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Wendy Adams
Neonate
Username: Wendyjokid

Post Number: 1
Registered: 05-2009
Posted on Monday, May 04, 2009 - 07:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I hope you all aren't too tired of answering and speculating the "what color will the foal be" questions...I want to add mine to the pile. :-)

My mare is due in the next several weeks and, as most other horse owners before me, I am getting more anxious with each passing day. Oh...I've owned horses all my life...just never owned a mare (always had geldings), much less a pregnant one!

Trying to keep a LONG story very short;

My mare is registered as a solid black paint. Her sire is registered black/tob/ovr and her dam registered black/overo.

The sire is a registered appaloosa...though, I know nothing more than that. I am not versed enough with appys to know if her is considered few spot or blanket. He doesn't strike me as a varnish or leopard. But...I could be wrong.

Have a look at their photos and let me know (educated or speculated) what you think I may get. I will absolutely post photos when he/she arrives!

http://www1.snapfish.com/thumbnailshare/AlbumID=251136417/a=22828294_22828294/t_ =22828294

Wendy
 

Kathee McGuire
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Katheekj

Post Number: 1295
Registered: 12-2005
Posted on Monday, May 04, 2009 - 08:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well all you are going to get is speculation without the true genetics tests, but here is a shot. The combinations can go from 12 outcomes to 4 outcomes depending on what they carry. From what can be seen, you have at least at 50/50 shot at the Leopard gene (appy spots) passing in some form (leopard, blanket, varnished roan, etc.) Dad can only pass the red gene because the chestnut/sorrel color can only have red. He could also have a gene that produces bay (agouti) but doesn't show up on him becuase he is a red horse and it only affects black horses.

She has at least one black gene, but could also have a black and a red. If she has only black, you are getting a black based foal. If she has both, you have a 50/50 shot at either. I am guessing she did not get 2 copies of the Overo - Sabino gene because they normally express alot of white over the body when that happens. If she only has one, then you have a 50/50 chance of her passing that gene.
SO, between the options of solid, leopard, sabino and a possible bay there are 12 color/pattern combination possibilities. If you take out the bay factor - there are 8. If she only carries black genes there are 4 black options (solid, leopard, leopard/sabino, or sabino). So you can scientifcially put all of these options into a hat and pull one out! The odds are about the same for any of the combinations. Good luck!
 

Diana Gilger
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 2259
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Tuesday, May 05, 2009 - 12:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That stallion is a snowcap, and it is considered a homozygous coat pattern for appaloosa. Typically, when you breed a snowcap, you will get appy characteristics every time. To what degree is the unknown factor...could be just striped hooves and mottling of skin, could be all out color! This is a great breeding in my my opinion (ironically, i have the SAME breeding going on here at home with my miniatures LOL) You're going to get color no doubt, and if you're lucky, you'll get a pinto foal with appy spots!!! I'll keep looking for you to post foal pics!! My post on here is "misty foal watch"....she's a splash, bred to my snowcap....can't wait to see them BOTH!!!
 

Wendy Adams
Neonate
Username: Wendyjokid

Post Number: 2
Registered: 05-2009
Posted on Tuesday, May 05, 2009 - 12:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you ladies! I very much appreciate your time and knowledge sharing. So the stallion is a snowcap, huh? Good to know. I didn't know that Dad can only pass the red gene. Neat.

Mom has streaks of red in her mane and her winter coat has got some red through it too. Funny...I always attributed her red streaks/patches to the black being sunburned or sun-faded. There is no sorrel in the linaige on her papers...one bay that is three generations back.

I assumed that I would get a foal with lots of color and would be absolutely THRILLED with the leopard gene being expressed in some fashion.

Thanks for the 'great breeding' compliment, Diana. I'd like to take credit for planning it but, it was total luck. I only adopted Meadow in September '08 and she was already in foal to Rocker. I am told (by the previous pwner) that it was a total mistake...the stallion broke his fence and caught Meadow and another of her mares.

My vet was out yesterday and gave her all of her foaling shots and a good checkup. Says all is well and that she is starting to show subtle signs; she has dropped ALOT all around and is beginning to bag up. Keep those opinions, gacts and guesses coming!
 

Diana Gilger
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 2270
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Tuesday, May 05, 2009 - 12:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here are pics of my breeding....we'll see how similar or different our foals will be!!
here's the mare...(29 inches tall)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii281/kdgilger/IMG_1838.jpg
and here's the stallion (25 inches tall)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii281/kdgilger/DSC01761.jpg
 

Kathee McGuire
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Katheekj

Post Number: 1301
Registered: 12-2005
Posted on Tuesday, May 05, 2009 - 01:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wow - those two are close!
 

Wendy Adams
Neonate
Username: Wendyjokid

Post Number: 6
Registered: 05-2009
Posted on Tuesday, May 05, 2009 - 03:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wow! They really ARE close! Amazing! When are you due? Today is day 305 for Meadow...
 

Diana Gilger
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 2271
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Tuesday, May 05, 2009 - 04:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Misty is at 314 today...she was bred june25

(Message edited by kdgilger on May 05, 2009)
 

Wendy Adams
Neonate
Username: Wendyjokid

Post Number: 9
Registered: 05-2009
Posted on Thursday, May 07, 2009 - 11:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You are a week ahead of me, Diana. Meadow is at 307 today...bred July 4th. I posted photos just a few minutes ago under the foal watch discussion board. Would love your expert opions...
 

Wendy Adams
Yearling
Username: Wendyjokid

Post Number: 97
Registered: 05-2009
Posted on Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 09:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I just had to come back here to have a look at your breeding combination again, Diana. I am surprised that you got a black colt? Thought you would have seen more color? I just can't wrap my brain around all of this genetics 'stuff'. I'm trying...
 

Diana Gilger
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 2386
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Sunday, June 07, 2009 - 12:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey Wendy.....I am VERY suspect that my foal was NOT from the snowcap. I intended she be bred to him , and she was in with him for several months, but he was still immature. One day, she was with my leopard *who consistently produced all blacks this year*....so I am positive it is HIS, not the snowcaps!!
 

Wendy Adams
Yearling
Username: Wendyjokid

Post Number: 98
Registered: 05-2009
Posted on Sunday, June 07, 2009 - 07:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ooooohhhh! Okay. That makes sense. In my case, the snowcap stud is the only stud at that farm so my fingers are crossed for color. We are at day 338 today so...it won't be too much longer!



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