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Color Question

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Dakarai Arabians
Weanling
Username: Lumani

Post Number: 36
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Saturday, March 28, 2009 - 09:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey guys.

I have a new foal here, his dam is bay and sire is black based grey.

He is really dark but there is a distinct difference in the slightly lighter brown body and the black points which sudgests to me that if he were adult he would be dark bay, almost brown but certainly not black.

He has a full sister that is also a black based grey and she had no brown on her at birth.

I know once he looses his baby fuzz, expessially as it is thick winter fuzz (we live up north in canada) his color is bound to change.

What would you consider his color to be? would he be smokey black? or do you think he is bay? This mare threw a half brother that was light bay and he wasn't this dark at all so i'm confused. I can't see calling him black as he is obviously not when your next to him, nor is he as dark as his sister >.<

Sorry for my silly questions!

These pictures make him look darker then he actually is as i took these with my phone. Up close his body is deffinently more brown.

http://saiza.deviantart.com/art/Laan-2009-bay-arabian-colt-117384580

http://saiza.deviantart.com/art/Laan-Arabian-colt-117384167


His full 2007 sister

http://www.freewebs.com/dakaraiarabians/filly10.jpg
 

Dakarai Arabians
Weanling
Username: Lumani

Post Number: 37
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Saturday, March 28, 2009 - 10:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Was doing some reading and think maybe a fading black? What do you think?
 

Terry Waechter P.R.E. foals
Breeding Stock
Username: Watchman

Post Number: 537
Registered: 01-2007
Posted on Sunday, March 29, 2009 - 12:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

just a guess....only genetic testing will confirm....but I am thinking the baby is bay....the difference between black and dark bay can be very hard to tell visually only a test will reveal the truth.

Both these fillies are bay genetically
[IMG]http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x58/terryberry_bucket/DESTETE4.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x58/terryberry_bucket/P1010149-1.jpg[/IMG]
 

Dakarai Arabians
Weanling
Username: Lumani

Post Number: 38
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Sunday, March 29, 2009 - 12:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh wow. I was thinking i might have to test genetically as it was so hard to tell. I can deffinently see his black points over his lighter body but his head is so dark i just can't tell!!

I will definently look into the testing!
 

Robin Culbertson
Yearling
Username: Murrini

Post Number: 68
Registered: 02-2006
Posted on Sunday, March 29, 2009 - 01:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

General rule of thumb (at least how I understand it) is that babies born black will rarely stay black, they will usually go grey (does he have goggles?) Most blacks are normally born a mousy or smokey color (except jet blacks can be born jet black but it dosn't sound like this foal is if you can see darker points), even bays are born with a light color over where the black will turn once they shed out - My bay didn't get black points until she was a 3-4 months old.
Ahh, here is a quote " One odd effect of the grey gene is that foals that are destined to be grey as adults are often born darker than non-grey foals and some have white eyelashes. There is an old saying that says that foals born black will go grey, and foals born grey (actually a mousy color) will be black, and it is generally true. " From http://www.twhya.org/voice/HowTo/OldGreyMare.htm This also explains how to look for signs the foal will go grey if you aren't familliar with how to do that.
 

Kathee McGuire
Breeding Stock
Username: Katheekj

Post Number: 670
Registered: 12-2005
Posted on Sunday, March 29, 2009 - 03:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is an example of the smokey black born mousy brown-you can see where she is shedding the baby coat on her muzzle http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d106/katheekj/Dream%20Catcher/4weeksstanding.j pg
this is her as a 2 year old
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d106/katheekj/Southern%20Breeze/Babies%20and%2 0Bling/runningbabyhorses05-05-08009.jpg
 

Andrea Barnes
Neonate
Username: Pf_pony

Post Number: 5
Registered: 03-2009
Posted on Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 05:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I agree... Black or bay going grey.
I didn't see if he's full Arab, but if he is, he can't be smokey black as there isn't creme in Arabs.
He is awesomely cute!



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