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What color is my Colt

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cheri keddy
Weanling
Username: Pepsi

Post Number: 35
Registered: 02-2008
Posted on Friday, February 29, 2008 - 12:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Gunner is 1 week old, and we are still trying to figure out what color he is.

He is from a black and white Tobiano
[IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/24ltylg.jpg[/IMG]

His Dam is Registered as a Grullo, but is dun
[IMG]http://i30.tinypic.com/eu4hlf.jpg[/IMG]

And Gunner and his markings
[IMG]http://i32.tinypic.com/2v30876.jpg[/IMG] tail and large dorsal strip

tiger marked legs, whither, and ears
[IMG]http://i25.tinypic.com/x3ua6d.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i31.tinypic.com/1547fc5.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i25.tinypic.com/330tyqe.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i26.tinypic.com/mkd6v7.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i30.tinypic.com/14bupex.jpg[/IMG]
 

Jan Owen
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 1134
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Friday, February 29, 2008 - 12:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I would say Dun...and a cute one at that. He is really nice. So you got one colt and one filly. That is nice :-)
 

cheri keddy
Weanling
Username: Pepsi

Post Number: 37
Registered: 02-2008
Posted on Friday, February 29, 2008 - 12:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Jan

Yes I have a solid colt from my 50/50 paint mare
and a black and white Filly from my solid mare LOL
 

Jan Owen
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 1135
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Friday, February 29, 2008 - 01:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think even with all the science mother nature still paints them to surprise us :-)
 

Catherine Owen
Weanling
Username: Cateowen

Post Number: 37
Registered: 12-2007
Posted on Friday, February 29, 2008 - 01:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I agree with Jan, I think he is a dun with some dun factor striping. Although.....
I don't know what the black factor is on his sire's side, but I have actually seen a colt born sort of a dun that turned dark gray and then was eventually coal black as a grown horse. Sometimes the barring can be a clue. We personally had a foal that was born a palomino and then dropped his baby hair and was a grullo.

Sometimes baby hair is not a definite indicator of what color they will ultimately be. Another mare of ours was seal brown and would have the prettiest little red sorrel foals that would turn seal brown just like her when they dropped their baby hair.

Here is a link to a really interesting page:
http://members.aol.com/stripedhos/sootfoal/sootfoal.htm
And here is the parent page:
http://members.aol.com/battyatty/

P.S. He is one cute baby. Looks like he has personality plus!

(Message edited by cateowen on February 29, 2008)
 

Lorna Glen /Tosh due 4/19
Nursing Foal
Username: Lornaglen

Post Number: 19
Registered: 09-2007
Posted on Friday, February 29, 2008 - 01:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh, Gunner is precious! Wow, those dun markings are dominant. That is so cool! Could he be a buckskin dun? And your mare is just beautiful! How is it that she is registered a Grullo? I don't have all these colors straight, and I want to understand them better. I really like the Buckskins, Duns and Grullos. Is it true that to be a buckskin the black points have to be there and the Dun has the dorsal stripe?
 

Catherine Owen
Weanling
Username: Cateowen

Post Number: 39
Registered: 12-2007
Posted on Friday, February 29, 2008 - 01:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here is a much better link that tends to load ALL the time.
http://www.dungenes.org/
 

cheri keddy
Weanling
Username: Pepsi

Post Number: 38
Registered: 02-2008
Posted on Friday, February 29, 2008 - 01:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lorna I think the breeder of Showie, thought she was a grullo based on her dam being a grullo, But she is definatly not a Grullo, I have requested APHA change the color of her on the papers

Niko which is Gunners dad his sire was a black and white Percheron and his Dam was a black percheron

I too thought he would be a dunskin
 

Jenni Luttrell
Breeding Stock
Username: Bugrace2000

Post Number: 937
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Friday, February 29, 2008 - 06:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

wHATEVER COLOR HE IS DUN OR DUNSKIN HE IS GORGOUS LOVE THE DARK MARKINGS.
 

Lorna Glen /Tosh due 4/19
Nursing Foal
Username: Lornaglen

Post Number: 20
Registered: 09-2007
Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 01:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Gunner, you sure are an interesting guy! Catherine, those sites were very informative. The color changes on the first site were amazing. Thanks for sharing those. I think I have a much better understanding now. Also, just noticed you and Jan have the same last name. Are you related?
 

Jan Owen
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 1140
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 10:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

:-) No ~ But I like her last name :-)
 

Heather Cooke
Yearling
Username: Hcvideo

Post Number: 90
Registered: 05-2007
Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 02:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Help me out on the color of my yearling pony colt.
Mom is bay, purebred Arab
Dad is a cremello section A welsh

The first picture is of the colt at 1 month

[IMG]http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa170/hacooke/Colts_nose_low-chewing-_Zoie_lo okin.jpg[/IMG]

The next 1 is now at 12 months old

[IMG]http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa170/hacooke/BUCKEY2.jpg[/IMG]

He seems to be getting lighter inbetween his legs and under his belly. Have any of you had one that looks like this? I was told he would be a buckskin? I'm not holding my breath.


(Message edited by hcvideo on March 01, 2008)
 

Heather Cooke
Yearling
Username: Hcvideo

Post Number: 91
Registered: 05-2007
Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 03:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have his 2 yr old full sister who is a light palomino. Her is her picture as a yearling.

[IMG]http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa170/hacooke/103_0168.jpg[/IMG]
 

Jan Owen
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 1151
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Sunday, March 02, 2008 - 10:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Heather~no color expert here but hopefully someon else will chime in. LOVE LOVE that first photograph, should be framed! Both are darling horses. Could the colt possibly be brown?
 

Brassfield Ranch
Neonate
Username: Cutnoak

Post Number: 7
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Tuesday, March 04, 2008 - 07:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cheri,
Here is a link to my new smokey grullo filly, does your colt have the same color as her?
http://www.brassfieldranch.com/2008foals.htm
 

Jan Owen
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 1170
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Tuesday, March 04, 2008 - 07:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Brassfield~DARLING filly...Love that color!
 

Heather Cooke
Yearling
Username: Hcvideo

Post Number: 93
Registered: 05-2007
Posted on Wednesday, March 05, 2008 - 08:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Brassfield
I wish he was, he is dark brown but seems to be turning goldish around his face, in his flanks and between his leg. I was wondering if any one had one this color that turned buckskin, maybe dark buckskin? I guess I'll have to wait until he sheds out.
 

A.S.
Neonate
Username: Curlyhorses

Post Number: 1
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Wednesday, March 05, 2008 - 05:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Heather~
If the sire is cremello than your colt has to be a dilute - that is either palomino, buckskin or smokey black. Based on his colouring he is most likely a buckskin. I have seen horses that look bay or brown and are genetically tested to be buckskin.

Here is a link for a dark buckskin warmblood stallion. When I first saw him I thought he was bay but his sire is a cremello so he has to be a buckskin.

http://warmblood-color.com/Pages/Horses/Yeager/Galleries/Y_Portraits_3.html

I have a dark bucksin 3 year old Bashkir Curly x Selle Francaise/Thoroughbred mare who's sire is palomino and dam is bay. She has gone through a few colour changes and gets very dark sometimes but is definitely buckskin.

Here are some photos of her at various ages-

Baby
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j117/CurlyHorseGirl/Diva/NativeDavinahNewF-1.j pg?t=1204755976

Winter 1
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j117/CurlyHorseGirl/Diva/DavinahWinter205.jpg

Winter 2
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j117/CurlyHorseGirl/Diva/MissDiva.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j117/CurlyHorseGirl/Diva/100_3766.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j117/CurlyHorseGirl/Diva/100_3767.jpg

Winter 3
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j117/CurlyHorseGirl/Diva/IMG_4119.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j117/CurlyHorseGirl/Diva/IMG_3545.jpg

Spring/Summer/Fall
http://s78.photobucket.com/albums/j117/CurlyHorseGirl/Diva/?action=view&current= 1179780817.pbw
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j117/CurlyHorseGirl/Diva/IMG_1319.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j117/CurlyHorseGirl/Diva/IMG_1253.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j117/CurlyHorseGirl/Diva/IMG_0640.jpg

As you can see she has gone through a few colour changes, from very dark to "normal" buckskin. She is not the same shade of buckskin as your colt but I wanted to illustrate how dark buckskins can be and how they can change colours.

here's another random picture I found of a dark buckskin
http://www.toplineperformancehorses.com/melody3.jpg

-
Very cute colt, by the way! He may still change colour or he could stay basically the same. But I'd definitely call him a buckskin based on those pictures and his parent's colours.
 

Jan Owen
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 1181
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Wednesday, March 05, 2008 - 05:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Welcome A.S. very cute curly! The only time of seen them is in the Rose Parade! What made you decide to cross a Curly with a Thoroughbred? Darling horse.

Heather~wow I did not know that bucksins could be so dark!
 

A.S.
Neonate
Username: Curlyhorses

Post Number: 3
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Thursday, March 06, 2008 - 01:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks! I think she's adorable. She has the most loving temperament I have ever come across in a horse.
I actually didn't breed her, I bought her as a yearling along with a curly colt the same age.

I already owned a curly mare and I really fell in love with the breed. They tend to be a small to average sized horse and I'm quite tall so my 15hh mare is a bit short for me. I bought this filly because she is supposed to get to at least 16hh.

The breeders were into breeding sport horse curlies at the time so that's why they made the cross with the Selle Franciase/Thoroughbred mare.
 

Adriana Angelich
Neonate
Username: Faluut42

Post Number: 1
Registered: 02-2008
Posted on Thursday, March 06, 2008 - 03:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

he looks like a grulla, and looks brindley-ish.
 

Heather Cooke
Yearling
Username: Hcvideo

Post Number: 94
Registered: 05-2007
Posted on Thursday, March 06, 2008 - 06:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks A.S. and Adriana
I guess time will tell, I never had one that color. Heather
 

Kathy
Neonate
Username: Dreampainter

Post Number: 3
Registered: 06-2008
Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 10:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

FYI...Grullo IS a dun no matter what :-)
It's a black based dun



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